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Powers & Principalities, Episode 011

Powers & Principalities, Episode 011,
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Ewen Cameron, CD Jackson, MK-Ultra, Fake News, Zionists, Nazis, Mind Control and Holocaust Revisionism.

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00:00 [Music] 00:18 make this 00:22 [Music] 00:41 Joe you're back hey Don I'm great - how 00:45 are you doing very well for doing very 00:47 well thank you 00:48 tonight you want to talk about well an 00:51 interesting character 00:53 Donald you and Cameron you and Cameron 00:56 must rule gnome as he was the law 00:58 psychiatrist a very theoretical say 01:03 groundbreaking psycho psychiatrist you 01:05 could say he was born in Scotland 1901 01:08 in he began his career as a resident 01:11 surgeon at Glasgow infirmary 01:13 but in 1929 moved to Canada to work in 01:16 Brandon and mental hospital 1936 he 01:19 became a director of research at worth 01:21 Chester State Hospital in Massachusetts 01:23 I came to United States a night today he 01:27 was appointed professor of neurology and 01:28 psychiatry at Albany State Medical 01:30 School say is quite a resume during the 01:33 Second World War he began working for 01:35 the Office of Strategic Services so here 01:37 we have a member of the British subject 01:39 the British Empire working for the 01:40 United States working for USS 1943 went 01:44 to Canada and established a psychiatry 01:46 department that's curious during the war 01:48 at Montreal's McGill University director 01:51 of the Allen memorial Institute which 01:53 was later implicated in some infamous 01:57 experiments on some patients under the 02:00 guise of MKULTRA and also some other 02:02 programs with the Canadian government he 02:05 also had a curious experience during the 02:06 war ii apparently examined and 02:08 interrogated rudolf hess and worked for 02:10 allan dulles in europe so he had that 02:12 background and of course he under any 02:17 alter he tested his theories on I guess 02:20 was called deep patterning we wipe he 02:23 scrubbed people's brains clear he takes 02:24 some patients they were went in for some 02:26 minor things like the postpartum 02:28 depression anxiety and destroyed their 02:31 minds and this was funded by the say a 02:33 to the human ecology fund I believe and 02:36 also to interesting us to the Department 02:39 of Education grant or department of 02:40 health education welfare grants and some 02:43 other government agencies do D of course 02:44 so show me ROC curves in the Rockefeller 02:48 Foundation services it's kind of a wide 02:49 know so a lot of money from the kanae 02:51 government as well more what's my taking 02:53 from the Canadian government and it is 02:55 said that he was operating in Canada 02:57 because CA didn't want to break the law 02:59 in an experiment on US citizens yeah 03:02 right anyway but since when that's you 03:07 in the Cameron and that's his experience 03:09 MKULTRA died I believe 1967 having a 03:12 heart attack while on a skiing trip so 03:14 what do you want what do you want - how 03:16 do you want to enter this the discussion 03:18 well um it's he some that really should 03:23 be understood I mean just you couldn't 03:25 have an individual that's more important 03:27 in my opinion you know to get a good 03:29 grip on Cameron is important because he 03:37 spans and was integral to real - 03:42 absolutely central narratives basically 03:46 one of them was tangental that is the 03:49 MKULTRA stuff and and so basically 03:53 MKULTRA even though you know it has this 03:56 concept of it being you know studying 03:59 basically individual psychological 04:03 people and and the idea you've come 04:05 about that it was going to create you 04:07 know Manchurian Candidate or 04:10 mind-control puppets 04:12 it was also against culture in general 04:15 right I mean it was it was basically 04:18 when you look at you know the work of 04:21 Gordon Watson and the MKULTRA funding 04:24 you can see that the science was you 04:28 know going to be applied on a vast scale 04:30 and and we've talked about you know 04:33 where this this this vast scale 04:36 psychological operation has various 04:39 strands you know you can trace it back 04:41 but Cameron was very famous because he 04:46 got caught and it really led to a lot of 04:50 the research that has become you know 04:53 the new history that is emerging through 04:57 the alternative media which is that the 04:59 whole counterculture was a government or 05:01 secret society operation right 05:04 and the reason why Cameron was so 05:06 central that is that he got caught it's 05:11 um 05:12 you know kind of a long story and it's 05:15 not kind of what I want to get into but 05:17 basically people were able to bring 05:20 testimony and there was enough 05:21 corroboration that it was just Enix 05:23 capable that Cameron had done this D 05:27 pattern patterning which was basically 05:30 using humans to see if he could erase 05:33 their mind their memory and then 05:37 recreate a new human being basically a 05:40 new mind this was done without their 05:42 consent obviously no one would would 05:44 consent it so it was experimentation 05:47 with a very strong moral authority in 05:51 other words Cameron was taking the 05:52 position that you know my science is 05:54 more important than your existence right 05:56 this is the same moral authority we see 05:59 in the creation of the counterculture I 06:01 mean who would create the Grateful Dead 06:03 who would have the idea of doing that 06:05 and have them give out millions of tabs 06:06 ability to teenagers which would produce 06:09 you know wasted lives and in many cases 06:12 just shattered minds but some group does 06:16 have this authority and Cameron was was 06:18 part of it now in Cameron's case he got 06:20 caught they brought all this evidence 06:24 meticulous scientific evidence you know 06:27 showing that here these people were here 06:29 are the symptoms here is the 06:30 corroborating sort of there was some 06:33 documentation on what they were like 06:34 when they left by other psychiatrists 06:37 would examine them and they brought 06:39 their suits and the CIA fest up and it 06:42 said okay you know we're going to give 06:44 you a bunch of money and so they 06:45 basically bought off the the victims of 06:48 Cameron's experiments so Cameron led to 06:53 then um you know a lot of research into 06:56 MKULTRA and this then kind of began to 07:01 bring about the idea that MKULTRA was 07:03 really not just individual science 07:08 science that would can affect 07:10 individuals but on science on a broad 07:12 scale and so this was really um 07:16 troubling to me and I've met 07:19 a couple times Tim I've said you know I 07:20 don't understand how you and Cameron 07:25 could have done the things that he did 07:28 because he is the one who brought to the 07:31 world the idea of the the Germans as a 07:38 nation that was guilty of atrocity 07:42 Cameron was of amazingly high stature in 07:47 the world of psychology 07:50 he had the basically he was running that 07:53 had the whole science at this time he he 07:56 was the head of some world organization 07:59 he was a head of a Canadian 08:01 psychological departments and and so 08:06 some he was called on to provide 08:09 basically the science that would 08:13 underline what became known as the 08:15 Nuremberg trial and so he wrote two 08:18 books about the Germans and basically 08:23 they began with some other events that 08:28 will go to a second but they began the 08:30 idea that there was a problem with the 08:33 German race so um you had I get like a 08:39 congenital defect or something like it 08:41 was a piece and it'll be in her right 08:43 and so so he wrote these books one of 08:46 which he wrote before he arrived in 08:50 Nuremberg and the other afterwards and 08:53 this is what created the basis for the 08:58 idea of German collective guilt he said 09:03 that um basically that we had to be 09:09 certain that we would restructure the 09:13 German psychology d-pad or not right so 09:19 that it would never rise as a military 09:21 threat 09:21 so it was Cameron then who who basic and 09:25 he use expressions like a Germany needed 09:28 to become the war 09:31 old now that's pretty chilling given 09:33 that the wards of his psychological 09:36 clinic didn't end up too well right but 09:40 it was just background in psychiatric 09:43 practice that formed the basis right and 09:47 of how the world then you know have this 09:52 narrative that Germany and the German 09:55 race were guilty of atrocity mental 09:59 illness 10:00 hey can that up you Joe you got let me 10:04 get it connect so she can give you a 10:05 call back 10:06 oh sure kayvyun will this reconnect okay 10:09 thanks 10:09 okay we are best happy right okay go 10:14 ahead okay ride this problem in that it 10:16 was illogical on one hand Cameron was 10:19 saying he was one bringing up the 10:20 understanding of the Germans as a nation 10:23 committing atrocities and on the other 10:24 hand he was committing the very 10:26 atrocities he was accusing the Germans 10:28 it just made no sense and and then I 10:31 realized that it would be logical if 10:35 what Cameron was doing was in fact part 10:37 of the same operation that he was 10:42 involved with when he was taking funding 10:43 from MKULTRA right in other words if he 10:47 was creating basically psychological 10:50 control for the organization and he was 10:53 creating the fake narratives just like 10:56 you had the narratives in the 10:57 counterculture you know you have you 11:03 know the idea that Wasson you know was 11:06 this individual who just was interested 11:08 in mushrooms who ends up in Mexico and 11:10 you know find spiritual you know 11:14 enlightenment with magic mushrooms and 11:16 then Henry Luce publishes his story and 11:19 the next thing you know oh here comes 11:22 the counterculture you know it's you go 11:24 into a little bit and you can see that 11:25 the story's fake and the narratives fake 11:27 and it's just being done to set us up so 11:30 that was the way that I thought well if 11:33 that's the case with Cameron who was 11:36 part of this MKULTRA you know system 11:38 then that would suddenly then the the 11:42 fact that he both 11:44 I was able to basically exterminate 11:49 human beings because that's literally 11:52 what he was doing and also accused the 11:56 German on the grounds of morality would 11:59 suddenly become logical you see what I 12:01 mean in other words now it makes sense 12:03 that Cameron is simply creating a 12:05 fictional narrative his moral authority 12:07 - such that he can lie and he can 12:10 exterminate human beings and that would 12:13 mean that you and Cameron was not a 12:15 character from history that was deeply 12:17 illogical but rather he was just a 12:20 lifetime at door you know we discussed 12:22 it and and so and so when I compared um 12:27 you know Cameron I tried to look at sort 12:31 of the - the story that he brought up 12:34 about the German atrocities I I looked 12:37 for examples of the other aspects of the 12:42 the things that became the foundation of 12:45 the German atrocity concept right you 12:47 have you have the the the Nuremberg 12:50 trial you have the atrocities that were 12:52 listed I mean and when I studied them I 12:55 found an interesting thing that this 12:58 character C D Jackson had been involved 13:01 with he was from the OSS 13:04 he was later up someone who worked with 13:09 the CIA and he had been the head of the 13:12 OSS psychological warfare department I'm 13:17 butchering the title but he had - he was 13:19 basically very high up and he had a 13:22 relationship with Allen Dulles and was 13:24 sort of Dulles eyes on the ground in 13:28 post-war Europe and there's a picture 13:33 which purports to BCD Jackson and he's 13:37 at Buchenwald and there you have two of 13:42 the components of the of the narrative 13:46 of the German atrocity narrative and 13:48 they are shrunken heads 13:51 - shrunken heads in a lamp that has a 13:53 human skin for the covering of the shade 13:58 so next to it is this this picture of CD 14:03 he's there next to the table the people 14:06 can look at those that are online you 14:08 can see the photograph now I have seen 14:11 shrunken heads Tim because I've lived in 14:13 South America and they are from time to 14:16 time for sale and you know Street 14:19 bazaars and whatnot and I can guarantee 14:22 you that the shrunken heads that are on 14:24 the table are not of prisoners from a 14:29 German POWs 14:31 they are basically um they are 14:34 legitimate shrunken heads but they're 14:35 from South America and it's easy to tell 14:38 by the the hair cut that the these heads 14:42 have that they are not you know from 14:46 anyone who is inside a POWs camp and the 14:51 lampshade has it's a video and you can 14:55 actually see that the lampshade does not 14:57 possess any tattoos which is the claim 15:00 that they were human skin which you 15:02 could verify because there were tattoos 15:04 over when the camera moves and you can 15:07 see that the lampshade doesn't seem to 15:08 have in it now both of these things 15:11 which are well known inside the 15:14 narrative of German atrocities have 15:17 disappeared it's it's so amazing because 15:22 they would be probably you know some of 15:23 the most important historical artifacts 15:26 in it in our history but they've 15:29 disappeared so the fact that Jackson was 15:34 involved with them is very suspicious to 15:38 me because of who he was he worked with 15:44 Henry Luce he became the publisher of 15:46 time-life where Gordon Watson has the 15:48 story of the magic mushrooms CD Jackson 15:52 is individual who created the Bilderberg 15:55 Society the American branch of it are 15:57 the American participation in Bilderberg 15:59 and then I think most importantly is 16:03 he's the one who sequestered who 16:05 purchased and sequestered the the 16:08 brooders JFK film 16:11 so that lineup is is extremely um 16:18 curious and it is made coherent by the 16:23 fact that he was also part of operation 16:26 Mockingbird now this is where everything 16:28 starts to clear up to my mind because 16:30 with operation marking Byrd you are now 16:33 deep into the kind of social control 16:36 that the secret society was creating 16:41 with the MKULTRA science right the 16:42 operation Mockingbird pretty well that 16:45 had you know listeners can do their 16:48 research but it was basically taking 16:50 control of the media by government 16:53 intelligence for the purpose of 16:55 propaganda to creating fake narratives 16:59 and and now when you look backwards and 17:02 you see CDs participation in the in the 17:06 narrative of the of the atrocity for it 17:11 to be logical it all has to be part of 17:13 one system CD Jackson is another 17:15 individual like Ewen Cameron that you 17:19 know he had the moral authority to 17:22 participate in operation Mockingbird 17:24 where the citizens are being fed false 17:28 narratives for the purpose of propaganda 17:31 he had the moral authority to you know 17:35 basically sequester the the brooder film 17:39 when obviously you know the population 17:41 needed to see it and so when you see him 17:45 involved with the beginning of the 17:47 atrocities that become part of the whole 17:50 class narrative the way that this is 17:51 logical to me Tim is that you have it's 17:55 all part of the same process it's all 17:56 just one narrative and and then the last 18:03 curious fact I'll bring up I'm sorry to 18:06 be long ago offended but you know Patton 18:10 never shows we talked about Bernice and 18:13 how he talked about propaganda he talked 18:15 about mind control and we have examples 18:18 of him setting up 18:21 what becomes the counterculture and it's 18:23 now he did work with Rossum Gordon 18:25 Watson for 10 years they were very close 18:28 friends and so Edward Bernays who is the 18:32 weird double nephew of Sigmund Freud he 18:35 was clearly involved in what becomes the 18:38 culturally debased anti-family 18:43 anti-catholic anti-community Pro you 18:51 know feminism pro or Gloria Steinem 18:53 version of feminism Pro drug use and Pro 18:58 single mom I mean in other words in pill 19:00 pornography Bernays particularly is 19:03 important in in the production of a 19:06 pornography and so you know so that at 19:09 the early 20th century like with with 19:11 damaged origins exactly right yeah he 19:14 brings up new Nijinsky who was miming 19:17 masturbation on stage and he's 19:19 purchasing a play with Rockefeller money 19:22 mind you at the very beginning of the 19:25 20th century and so so Bernays has 19:27 clearly plugged in to this whole process 19:29 by which a narrative about you know what 19:33 is good sex drugs and rock and roll 19:36 essentially you know is being 19:37 established but now when you look for I 19:41 wasn't drugs sex and jazz knew it yeah 19:44 exactly 19:46 yes sir like I'd have been invented yet 19:49 it was yeah it's right right rock and 19:51 roll wasn't right vo it was drug sex in 19:53 jail um but anyway yeah that's how far 19:55 back it goes but anyway so we you know 19:57 with David McGowan shows that there is a 20:00 generational issue and then this is 20:02 obvious because we're not looking at a 20:04 you know a project that is you know 20:07 MKULTRA or the CIA or I mean this is a 20:10 vast project this goes back certainly to 20:13 Gregor muchas muchas muchas some reckon 20:16 the name talk to that um you know hungry 20:18 yeah and at the end of World War one 20:21 right where where he's trying to you 20:25 know produce a debased sexual education 20:29 for the recently conquered Hungarian 20:34 country under the promotion of béla kun 20:38 and and so that then becomes a Frankfurt 20:43 School which then becomes the American 20:45 Jewish Committee authoritarian 20:46 personality which then becomes the macey 20:48 conference which then becomes an MKULTRA 20:50 and we've done it as a shows we've shown 20:52 all these connections so so Bernays is 20:55 just absolutely plugged into it and now 20:57 we can come forward one one generation 21:01 what do you get well you get this weird 21:04 guy Marie Bernice he's the nephew right 21:08 again like one-one nephew from Freud and 21:11 now you have have Edward's nephew Marie 21:13 burning and who is Marie Bernays well um 21:16 he creates the the Nuremberg trial the 21:21 Nuremberg trial was never really 21:23 intended I mean obviously to be a kind 21:25 of you know actual trial it was a 21:29 propaganda and Marie was in you know the 21:35 Special Projects branch and so he you 21:43 know basically designed the Nuremberg 21:46 trial and with the idea that they would 21:51 just have the impression of an actual 21:54 trial but but none of the people could 21:56 really bring evidence in their defense 21:58 and then at the end of it they would be 22:00 you know made made guilty and then you'd 22:04 have this propaganda moment so this is 22:06 see this is very um clear unfortunately 22:11 if when you look at CD Jackson and 22:15 incidentally one interesting thing about 22:16 CD Jackson that I found in doing 22:19 research is that Jackson's not his real 22:20 name his real name was Jacobsen he was 22:25 Jewish now there's some dispute about 22:30 this but the the source is primary so 22:33 I'm going to live next to him at the 22:34 Dakota hotel and in a book about the 22:37 Dakota that individual is questioned and 22:39 he has absolutely no reason to lie about 22:41 it I mean it's going to be in a public 22:43 document and he goes well you know 22:45 anybody's talking about 22:47 a CD Jackson his next-door neighbor and 22:50 he said yeah it's really interesting CD 22:52 you know his name wasn't Jackson was 22:54 Jacob sunny with Jewish and he was his 22:57 father owned something called Jacobson's 23:00 marble and now this has been scrubbed 23:03 very mysterious like to have some 23:06 citizen researchers help with this to 23:08 vet this this idea very important to 23:12 know this because because if this is 23:15 correct 23:16 and I think it is because of the how 23:18 primary and clear the you know the 23:20 documentation is and also the fact that 23:23 CD Jackson stated that his father was in 23:26 the marble business but it doesn't say 23:29 change the name but he said that the 23:30 fact that he wasn't a normal business 23:31 I've been able to verify so this looks 23:33 pretty clear so so that's why I'm when 23:38 you get to basically the Nuremberg trial 23:42 you have you know this like a very clear 23:49 picture of a narrative being created now 23:53 you know people will talk about 23:55 Holocaust denial which of course is 23:57 illegal in many countries hmm which 24:00 which you know is sort of suspicious in 24:02 and of itself I mean if their evidence 24:06 was good why does it have to be illegal 24:09 to discuss it but it is um but this 24:15 really isn't you know something that I 24:18 think you know it's it's a part of like 24:22 the historical historical individual 24:24 that's kind of has been there's a 24:27 mythology that develops around people 24:29 will argue well was the individual 24:32 historical or not and to me and this is 24:36 you know just to so I can explain this 24:38 clearly it's like you know the person 24:41 who created the cartoon character dog 24:43 duck had a duck that his neighbor owned 24:47 whose name was Donald right okay now 24:50 does that mean that Donald Duck the 24:52 cartoon is a historical character 24:54 well that means a semantical issue and 24:57 you can't can you can't answer it it's 24:59 like well in some ways he could be but 25:01 the fact is is that the historical 25:03 Donald could not talk right it was not 25:05 speak English so it's diction but it's 25:08 not completely fiction and so you have 25:10 this like with historical characters you 25:12 know Buddha Jesus you know people are 25:15 always arguing well you know can you 25:17 prove one or no you can't it's just 25:18 impossible but what you can do is 25:22 understand the genre and a cartoon is 25:25 not history right and so with the 25:28 Holocaust um in terms of denying it that 25:32 seems to me like the position of 25:34 negation of someone who's saying well 25:36 the Buddha could not have existed 25:38 because we know that no one can live on 25:40 one grain of rice a day for a year right 25:43 okay well but wait he could have existed 25:46 this could just be an embellishment with 25:49 the Holocaust um you you have this this 25:54 people try to attack those who want to 25:57 understand what happened to bring up you 26:01 know this the the details and facts that 26:05 we know about these events and try to 26:08 see if they are in fact creating the 26:10 right context and then they're attacked 26:14 on the grounds that belissa Holocaust 26:16 denial and so I think that that is so 26:22 frustrating I think that the people who 26:25 want to revisit the Holocaust because of 26:30 what we had uncovered in terms of a 26:33 government production of the 26:35 counterculture right are trying to 26:39 determine not whether or not there were 26:42 camps or whether or not they were Jews 26:44 and camps during underneath you know or 26:47 whether or not this was morally 26:49 defensible none of these things are even 26:51 on the table the question is to me is is 26:56 where the events are taken and placed 27:00 into a fictional context or the purpose 27:03 of propaganda and that's what I think 27:06 when you go through the 27:07 these three individuals without 27:09 mentioned Bernays Cameron and NCD 27:12 Jackson I think that it is far more 27:15 logical I mean just clearly you know 27:18 makes much more sense to look at these 27:20 guys and their activity as part of a 27:23 propaganda narrative and not one that 27:26 doesn't end with the the conclusion of 27:29 the Nuremberg trial but never basically 27:32 ends one that just continues to go 27:34 forward until now we have um you know 27:38 even and then the last atrocity element 27:41 which is the gas chambers Oh in which 27:44 when I try to do research into it and I 27:47 really have done the best I can 27:49 um just makes no sense to me yeah yeah 27:52 this is except me of gospel yeah I'm 27:54 reading about MKULTRA and they talk 27:56 about the either Nazis people clip Nazis 27:59 and as treated as if MKULTRA is sort of 28:02 some sort of a virus that's brought in 28:03 with the Nazi as if you know unable to 28:07 stretch realist lest we bring in the 28:08 Nazi to infect our system and within 28:12 this description to talk about the 28:13 experiments these things which may or 28:16 may not have happened maybe they're 28:17 embellish as well I'll probably are just 28:20 like the other aspects of the so-called 28:22 Holocaust are probably extreme 28:25 embellishments to say the least but 28:27 they're just you'll hear that think 28:29 about zyklon-b and IG Farben and some 28:33 others if people are forced to include 28:37 that lest they be accused of you know 28:40 being a denialist or and having their 28:43 reputation of careers ruined because 28:45 there really is no evidence slips and 28:48 once you look at it doesn't see that IG 28:50 Farben that the cyclin D was used the 28:53 gas chambers aren't there fact doc I 28:54 think the C D Jackson and Hollywood 28:57 directors actually constructed a fake 28:59 gas chamber as a part of a post-war tour 29:03 they'd give to dignitaries and Senators 29:05 now to have some films that again that's 29:08 the films that were produced by Alfred 29:10 Hitchcock and Billy Wilder 29:12 and just to see at the footage we have 29:16 of the bodies being bulldozed a lot of 29:18 those our AIRAID victims are typhus 29:19 victims and the reality is that all the 29:22 film we have of the so called Holocaust 29:23 is from the Western can switch based 29:27 even based on the official narrative 29:28 weren't part of the final solution that 29:30 all occurred in the East and we have no 29:32 film evidence of that in fact the aerial 29:34 photograph photography is reconnaissance 29:37 during the war show no such activity 29:38 going on nor there any records 29:40 requisition records fuel you know fuel 29:42 requisitions the always means discipline 29:45 to document your physical evidence to 29:47 support that narrative so all we have 29:49 are some horror stories largely coming 29:53 from from the Russian side which I would 29:55 say isn't a reliable source so there's a 29:58 much there to be skeptical about to say 30:00 the least yeah exactly right and in fact 30:04 I think that we have to put it now into 30:06 the context of basically the revelations 30:10 concerning MKULTRA and the fact that we 30:13 know that our government engages in the 30:15 production of of narratives I think that 30:19 Gordon Watson expose is probably the 30:22 most important thing the citizens have 30:25 been given you know I mean since the 30:29 Roman Empire I mean this is really 30:30 really important for citizens to know 30:33 that because there's one you can really 30:36 verify it is both completely fake and 30:40 absolutely central to an enormous social 30:44 program you know the counterculture very 30:47 rooted out reverberates today it still 30:50 reverberates today yeah and and that of 30:52 course can now you know when you look at 30:54 like you know the things that you've 30:57 shown about the assault on the cities 31:01 how the ethnic community the Catholic 31:04 communities in America cities were then 31:07 these communities are deliberately 31:10 attacked to break them up and push them 31:14 into the suburbs to create the vast 31:16 deracinated middle-class right that 31:19 would then be susceptible to the now sex 31:22 drugs and rock and roll at this point a 31:25 calm and that's why 31:26 well of Suburbia where people are all 31:28 going to debt with their consumer goods 31:30 but yeah and yet they yet they still 31:32 can't find happiness and they find 31:34 themselves all in anxiety medicine you 31:37 know because they no longer have their 31:39 Paris world as well churches are their 31:41 their their ethnic their ethnic lineage 31:44 the giraffes Nazirite they they're cut 31:46 off and now they can't they they have no 31:50 roots 31:52 no nothing to appeal to nothing to refer 31:55 to and wonder why they're unhappy yeah 31:59 well they have no um no capacity to 32:04 resist the mind control um you know they 32:08 can't resist pornography you know and 32:11 pornography on you know it mean like the 32:14 Germans are you know claim to be you 32:16 know the sexually deranged you know and 32:19 doing these these kinds of activities 32:23 but then we need to go forward and look 32:25 at what's being promoted by the 32:27 government in the counterculture well 32:32 how the hell am I just promoting a 32:36 little sister seventies then you can see 32:39 that that the charges against the 32:41 Germans to this regard the charges you 32:43 know of you know are just like the 32:47 charges that Cameron made yeah about 32:49 them you know a group that was capable 32:52 atrocities for heaven's sakes when you 32:54 are actually doing what you're accusing 32:57 the other individuals of being guilty of 32:59 you just don't have the moral it's 33:02 already and yet they do it time and time 33:04 again 33:05 yes welding it in a rubble of a 33:07 bombed-out German city lecturing the 33:10 Germans on their atrocities yeah and you 33:13 asking well right who bombed the city 33:16 yeah well the firebomb you know and who 33:20 deliberately targeted civilians and then 33:23 you you know so so if you say this is 33:25 the thing and it gets back to my you 33:26 know might little story about Donald 33:28 Duck is that you know at the end of the 33:31 day I think you'll find you know a 33:36 basically a 33:38 a foundation of truth I am sure Jews 33:42 were in college yes I'm sure many of 33:45 them are mistreated because there have 33:47 been tremendous antagonism between 33:49 Germans shoulders and and I don't think 33:52 that but I don't think they would have 33:54 been sought out for any special 33:57 atrocities I can't find any evidence of 34:01 that kind of disease where you are 34:03 because you're mixing when you talk 34:05 about the Holocaust they talk about the 34:07 camps the labor cancers or industrial 34:09 concerns you know IG Farben I'd REM 34:13 General Motors Standard Oil all involved 34:16 but um then they mix in like this but 34:19 these police battalions on the Eastern 34:21 Front on the other front with are 34:23 fighting these partisans and you can't 34:26 mix the two with the two different 34:27 environments can't mix it near the this 34:31 the battlefield you know this this 34:34 raging battle to what was going on maybe 34:36 in Poland or in parts of Germany two 34:39 different things not I'm not justifying 34:41 when that happened you know because the 34:42 police design stats group and will go 34:44 behind the line police plan to clear out 34:46 under the guise of anti-partisan 34:48 activity killed a lot of Jews and they 34:51 wrote about now also that was their job 34:53 isn't this anti commissar order that was 34:55 written up but the way the Germans saw 34:57 it the Germans saw a lot of Jesus being 34:59 Bolsheviks so a lot of Jews were going 35:02 to be killed in that battle not in that 35:04 you know that that that cart is 35:07 physically the carnage in the Eastern 35:08 Front he meant the level of destruction 35:10 there was exactly right well said and 35:12 enough matter that is the Soviet Union 35:15 they would carry up they would carry out 35:18 atrocities and blame them on the Germans 35:19 so it's psychological warfare it's 35:21 propaganda remember the partisans would 35:24 go out and they they would kill Germans 35:26 soldiers so you're going to have a look 35:29 Germans aren't going to be that 35:31 sympathetic and on the battlefield or 35:33 that discriminatory but who they kill 35:34 and if you want to know that even one if 35:37 you want to sing out the Germans being 35:38 particularly brutal in that factor just 35:40 look what happened in Vietnam with the 35:41 Phoenix program the Search and Destroy 35:43 missions and these things right you know 35:45 and multiply it by 10 on the Eastern 35:46 Front because it's a much larger war you 35:50 know it's war and the war itself 35:51 was a crime as you say I mean the war 35:53 itself was a crime and you know to pick 35:56 out this this here it has things somehow 35:57 exceptional from some of the other 35:59 atrocities which is the war itself to me 36:02 is uh well it's it's hypocritical and 36:05 you being highly selective in your well 36:07 worse it's a fake narrative for the 36:08 purpose of propaganda yes you're 36:10 singling out one side is being 36:11 particularly brutal and just look at the 36:13 yeah look at the landscape a year you 36:16 can take to the angry and no but you 36:19 know Tim what I see what I see is that 36:20 and what I'm seeing is that the Germans 36:23 are basically the sort of premier 36:26 European people and now you look at this 36:30 false narrative that comes out of world 36:33 war two and you know it it starts um 36:39 long before any of the data really is 36:42 coming in I mean the the the concept of 36:45 the German atrocity were being developed 36:49 in 1942-43 this is long before anyone 36:53 you know has detailed information about 36:56 what's going on in the camps but the the 36:59 narrative is being established as right 37:02 so it's being fed through supply through 37:04 Harry Dexter white and Henry Morgenthau 37:06 at the Treasury Department because they 37:07 ran the war refugee board right in with 37:11 Ben Heck writing stories and you know 37:14 Reader's Digest yeah we're in 1943 he 37:17 talks about six million Jews at risk so 37:20 you have a communist and the committed 37:21 scientists creating the Holocaust 37:23 narrative right 37:24 and so in so just like the gas chamber 37:27 and the shrunken heads and the human 37:30 head lampshades 37:32 the Six Million number is frankly 37:35 demonstrably preposterous it just is a 37:38 metaphorical number representing the 37:41 Jewish people I don't have you ever seen 37:43 any of the analysis of the use of the 37:46 term but six million gets used you know 37:49 thirty forty times in the media and 37:52 European media before World War two 37:55 breaks out yeah representing that the 37:58 Jewish people who are at risk from you 38:01 know once blamed bizarre 38:02 putting six million at risk right 38:04 exactly yeah so the I that this is where 38:07 the Basie you're starting to develop a 38:10 very clear understanding because you 38:12 know well the the lampshades have 38:14 disappeared and they don't appear in the 38:16 movie to have any you know there's no 38:18 tattoos on them the human heads are just 38:21 preposterous I mean I mean the skin is 38:24 black and the idea that that was you 38:28 know P of W from World War two is just 38:30 ridiculous the gas chambers make no 38:34 sense just numerically make no sense at 38:38 all I mean and also mechanically I try 38:40 to go through and you know how they 38:42 would kill these people in these little 38:45 gas chambers and then get all the bodies 38:47 out and then have enough coal whatever 38:49 it is to burn them all and of course 38:51 then you have the question of habeas 38:52 corpus where are all the bodies right 38:54 that's a whole lot of it yes a whole lot 38:57 of body to bury and lots of bodies to 38:59 use right so so again it's you know you 39:01 get to the idea well then you have had 39:02 gas chambers they make people may have 39:05 died in them but they weren't some kind 39:07 of industrial Genocide Ulm oisin right 39:12 it just that just isn't any way that 39:15 this can be true and so you've got to 39:17 the point where you know it's like with 39:19 the character Donald Duck you now 39:22 understand the genre of the story we're 39:25 not being given history here we are 39:27 being given propaganda that's and that's 39:30 my point Tim is that we we can be sure 39:34 of that 39:34 well that damn good example is if you're 39:36 if you were a prisoner an inmate of one 39:41 of these camps labor camps you probably 39:43 saw a fair amount of brutality people 39:45 being treated harshly even maybe summary 39:47 executions and that's your perspective 39:49 you see that also you hear the story of 39:51 the Holocaust and your mind you've 39:54 witnessed the Holocaust although you saw 39:56 something ability different it wasn't 39:58 that an attempt to annihilate an entire 40:00 race it was just the type of treatment 40:02 you get in a labor camp a slave labor 40:04 camp during the war yeah yeah and you 40:08 know when I read like the Red Cross 40:09 reports which are very meticulous you 40:14 know people can 40:16 contest one way or another but they do 40:18 exist and they actually have a number of 40:22 200 Stephanie thousand for the total 40:25 abilities in the camps during World War 40:26 two and they say that maybe 40 percent 40:29 the population were Jews then you have 40:31 you know it is a tremendous tragedy but 40:34 it is not the unique atrocity that then 40:39 becomes part of a very powerful 40:41 narrative propaganda well it's like this 40:44 what else in the United States if we had 40:47 the reality of the internment camps the 40:49 concentration is for the Japanese on the 40:51 west coast the United States and that 40:53 wasn't a tremendous injustice to take 40:56 their property in fact I think the Hyatt 40:59 hotel chain is based on stolen property 41:01 yes haven't your friends within the 41:05 Treasury Department gave it to him 41:07 chrome has a Jewish Jewish mobster thing 41:09 but um the that was an incredible 41:12 injustice to this to this hundred 41:14 thousand Japanese now what are from that 41:16 basically that's is that is what it is 41:17 okay they're interned than a release 41:20 they were civil rights were violated 41:22 they lost their property these things 41:24 but what a ferment 41:26 from that reality this narrative respond 41:29 that three million of them worked to 41:31 death are murdered just to get just an 41:33 attempt to annihilate the entire 41:35 Japanese people would that be a fair 41:38 yeah yeah and that's a great analogy 41:41 because that's that's what's happened 41:43 and you see the the idea of Holocaust 41:46 denier this is just a you know a an 41:50 expression to try to dominate the debate 41:54 you know it places the person who's 41:57 trying to bring this information forward 41:59 as denying that Jews died in the camps 42:04 or bad things happened to use it yeah 42:06 right yeah young or or that there 42:08 weren't even you know atrocities right 42:11 or or or or that you advocate bad things 42:15 right we still you see illogical I'm 42:18 definitely yeah what I'm suggesting is 42:20 that the better approach is to try to 42:25 not permit that concept to be something 42:29 with 42:29 defeats you know intellectual 42:33 exploration what I think is that is that 42:37 really you try to put on the table 42:39 particularly for the public because you 42:41 know in the alternative media I think 42:44 these ideas can be discussed pretty 42:46 objectively right now and I think that 42:49 that there really is a revisionism to 42:52 the Holocaust that's just going on 42:53 because there's so much bad data inside 42:56 of it unfortunately I think you know 42:58 people are pointing out perhaps 42:59 accurately but some of this is coming 43:01 from a bad place in the heart there is 43:03 you know legitimate anti-semitism okay 43:06 but that has nothing to do with the idea 43:10 of are these details capable of being 43:14 analyzed you know I mean I mean we 43:17 should be able to you know have some 43:18 kind of process where we can come to you 43:21 know do the human head look like 43:23 Europeans you know straight ahead so so 43:26 the look like exactly next desperation 43:28 you don't we all adults here can we talk 43:30 about this can we fucki so it's just 43:34 it's just that that we're trying to find 43:36 what John rrah 43:37 are reviewing is this a legitimate 43:40 history right or it was this propaganda 43:44 if we are dealing with propaganda then 43:47 we need to go back and look at the 43:49 details and recreate the narrative 43:50 because otherwise we are going to have a 43:52 false history and a false history leads 43:55 to catastrophe as you pointed out you 43:58 know a number of times yes 43:59 false history leads to catastrophe with 44:02 the Neira narrator's being spun now 44:04 there's narrative being sent and 44:05 promoted not only because so much of the 44:08 post-war international establishment 44:12 depends upon a particularly State of 44:14 Israel the the the the you know rector 44:18 the reparations which are billions and 44:19 billions of dollars of the power of the 44:21 Jewish lobby in the United States the 44:23 Aldea of a sort of a moral extortion of 44:26 the entire Western civilization 44:37 specifically European middle European 44:40 phenomenon the museum is also 44:42 the United States you know you know they 44:45 expect to put a museum in Iran for some 44:48 reason you know you know well we 44:50 recently gave an example where it you 44:53 know does ill to the culture that mean 44:56 that false narrative is always bad 44:59 propaganda is always evil right you 45:01 shouldn't use mind control you should be 45:04 able to express what you want honestly 45:06 and then people can make their own minds 45:07 up it was when the the Hays Code was 45:11 disbanded now that was the Hollywood 45:13 production code I think it was always 45:17 intended to be something that would be 45:19 destroyed I think Hays was a set up I 45:23 mean this is another you know body of 45:25 analysis but the code was good in it as 45:29 it presented itself to the public these 45:31 were great principal but in the early 45:35 60s it basically was done away with and 45:38 you have to remember that the Hays Code 45:41 was put into effect as a way to combat 45:44 the idea that Hollywood was on a Jewish 45:50 debasement of European culture because 45:53 this is really what spawned the the Hays 45:57 Code is that if you look at the I get a 46:01 you know an interview about this and I 46:03 was reading quotes of just blatant you 46:09 know just attacking Hollywood as a ewis 46:12 plot against European culture this was 46:15 after the Fatty Arbuckle event you know 46:17 and where you had all this pornography 46:19 and there were there were different 46:21 scandals one scandal after another and 46:23 so they brought out the Hays Code and 46:26 brought the Catholics in very famously 46:28 they brought the Catholics in as 46:30 basically you know it's people who had 46:33 been involved in the production of the 46:34 code yes because they want greenbook in 46:38 part of Joseph Breen yeah yeah and so 46:41 they I'm not sure he's Catholic but so 46:43 they brought it they but they had the 46:44 Catholic Legion of decency who had was 46:48 vetting it and so the public was being 46:50 said hey look we've got you know we 46:52 don't have to worry about basically 46:54 Jewish 46:55 evany against European culture because 46:58 you've got this code focus of Catholics 47:00 above all but then in the 60s it's 47:03 disbanded no why well I I suggested that 47:07 it was an example of the power of the 47:09 Holocaust because it just became 47:12 politically impossible to bring up these 47:15 concerns about one culture attacking 47:18 another you could be critical of any 47:20 Jewish organizations your Dom damaged 47:23 without being accused of being Adolf 47:24 Hitler exactly right 47:26 well it's interesting because the movie 47:27 that broke the production code was Rod 47:30 Steiger in a so-called Holocaust 47:32 survivor allegedly in a the pawnbroker 47:35 it was a holocaust movie and it shared 47:38 the topics with less Otto Preminger I 47:40 think it might have been I'm not sure 47:41 that I'm I'm not sure but I do know that 47:43 the movie he was the pawnbroker he was a 47:45 Holocaust survivor and he alleged he was 47:48 a place to get Holocaust movie and him 47:51 dealing with it so you rather artfully 47:54 you know well done movie but it had that 47:55 theme with the topless prostitute from 47:57 the front and I think it was Cardinal 48:00 Crowell I think a Philadelphia who was 48:03 writing about it and they're trying to 48:05 explain the director was trying to say 48:06 this is art you know you want to see the 48:09 effects he says he says no no don't give 48:11 me that these Denver streetwise priests 48:13 he goes yes it's in in a thin thin in 48:16 the wedge here it's ridiculous first of 48:17 all from artful from a standpoint of art 48:20 in effect it's much more artful to see 48:22 his face rod steiger's face reaction to 48:24 the topless lady not her breasts you 48:28 just want to show bare breasts because 48:29 you want pornography and movies you know 48:31 don't give me this art crap you you get 48:34 G generous always try to pass themselves 48:36 off as artists you know that's that's an 48:38 old ploy you know so right well that's 48:41 fascinating because that I was unaware 48:45 of that I didn't know that it was the 48:46 Holocaust film but it see this makes 48:52 perfect sentence very large because the 48:56 one that that I was familiar with you 48:59 know when in the code the code actually 49:01 was assaulted a number of times the 49:02 first one I was where it was a Otto 49:04 Preminger stone 49:05 but immediately after that was the 49:09 pawnbroker and and so the pawnbroker 49:13 really can be seen I'm have some 49:16 information in front of me that the sex 49:18 scene was really kind of the end of the 49:20 production code yeah and and this is a 49:22 very very clear example of what happens 49:25 when you have the folks narrative right 49:26 yeah 49:27 is that but it just be 40 years later 49:30 almost four years later Network 49:32 television the one movie that's allowed 49:34 to showed nudity on network television 49:37 is Schindler's List 49:42 so let me see it so there is there you 49:44 can see the pattern is that the you know 49:48 you have a false narrative that 49:51 basically sets up kind of a 49:54 psychological structure that from which 49:57 the the population is intellectually 50:00 infinite they can't it's in themselves 50:02 that because you know if you want to go 50:04 after the pawnbroker you're basically 50:06 you know your voice a second if this is 50:08 a this is promoting the horrors of the 50:11 Holocaust how can you possibly say that 50:14 this even though you are ratcheting down 50:17 your culture into pornography the 50:19 Holocaust is clearly being used as the 50:22 bulwark to prevent the population from 50:25 responding in the way they did you know 50:27 in the 30s with the production of the 50:29 Hays Code in the first place so so there 50:32 you have it and that and that's why I 50:33 think it's so important that you know we 50:36 try to move the debate from one of 50:39 Holocaust denial into the question of 50:41 just what genre is it you know is this 50:45 propaganda or is this history because 50:48 when we start when we look at it from 50:49 that we just say okay what what was 50:51 propaganda and then you go well I guess 50:54 the gas chambers are propaganda I guess 50:57 that at the end of World War two when 51:00 you look at @cd Jackson sitting there 51:03 with his two shrunken heads and his 51:05 human landscape shade lamp which are 51:08 fake right and you know damn well the 51:11 guy is producing propaganda because this 51:14 is the K founded the build a bird who 51:17 sequestered 51:19 you know I mean the the brooder film and 51:22 was member of operation Mockingbird you 51:24 mean that whole life is just a fake is 51:26 production of fake narratives right that 51:29 controlled the population so here is 51:32 just in perfect logical character he's 51:35 doing exactly what he always does and so 51:38 you know that these things you you know 51:40 you can rest assured that these things 51:42 are just part of this idea of producing 51:45 the concept that the Germans that they 51:48 they were they were on mass engaging in 51:51 atrocities and this is being done to 51:54 create a psychological intimidation so 51:56 that the Europeans will not then resist 52:01 the the coming secret society control 52:04 these will be the political system yeah 52:07 and of course you alluded to it earlier 52:09 you may want to expand upon a how they 52:11 were specifically targeting the Germans 52:14 because they're central to European 52:15 identity 52:17 obviously the war guilt has completely 52:20 psychologically decapitated Germans as 52:23 part of ethnic pride or national pride 52:26 for the German state driven people's and 52:28 you see it today now because it makes 52:30 you unable to articulate if you're a 52:34 German without coming across as a not 52:35 see any any different your faith a 52:38 migrating them foreigners into your cunt 52:40 God before I go again I didn't mean 52:43 you're made such an important point I'm 52:44 sorry I interrupted ago yeah that's you 52:46 you little shit earlier is yeah but what 52:50 the Illinois you're pointing out that 52:51 with the Muslim immigration which is 52:53 completely arrests and on culturally 52:55 destructive that the Germans cannot 52:58 resist it because they will be bat 53:01 beaten down by the the people who say 53:05 well this is multiculturalism and you're 53:08 promoting racism and this is Nazism and 53:11 this therefore would be like a second 53:13 Holocaust mmm bacteria lost I was 53:16 talking to a German lady of last year 53:19 about it and she was talking about some 53:21 he's rightly political movements arising 53:22 in Germany and she's a pleasant older 53:25 lady but she's a completely you know a 53:30 product of post-war Germany she's no 53:32 sense 53:32 and she thought it was just horrible 53:35 that some people would treat people 53:38 immigrating into into into Germany that 53:40 way or be opposed to of course she's not 53:42 living there but it's a right yeah yeah 53:47 and part of that is because she somehow 53:49 thinks her people her country a uniquely 53:52 guilty of a horrible crime and dodge 53:56 bills 53:57 she isn't victimized but Paul snare it's 53:59 like you said if you yeah 54:01 actually compare it for us even 54:05 everything that is known and and and you 54:08 know about German atrocities in world 54:10 war two was equalled by the Allies and 54:13 then then exceeded by the Russians hmm 54:16 right so so the idea that there is some 54:18 kind of you know possibility that the 54:21 Germans were uniquely deranged you know 54:24 the stuff that you and Cameron accuses 54:28 them of is simply preposterous and the 54:31 poor woman you know that to two little 54:33 eyes victimized by that by that that 54:37 folds narrative I mean hopefully you 54:40 know we can get enough information out 54:43 that people will start standing up for 54:45 themselves and start demanding that they 54:47 you know people go back and learn the 54:50 real history and learn to distinguish 54:54 between the false narrative and the 54:55 propaganda so that they can have a clear 54:58 mind you know because when you look at 55:00 you know well why are they bringing the 55:02 Muslims and you know into Europe whether 55:05 they're doing it this is weaponized 55:07 immigration yeah there it's not going on 55:09 for the benefit of anyone not even for 55:11 the Muslims who are coming in this is 55:12 going to be a glove tour okay well 55:14 there's a book written you know Kelly 55:15 Greenhill weapon weapons of mass 55:17 migration the talks about this as a as a 55:19 part of statecraft and geopolitics I 55:22 mean it's really written written rather 55:24 coldly like this is what you do well 55:27 yeah you know and and and the thing is 55:30 when you get we have to you know the 55:32 concept of weaponization where you know 55:34 they want to shatter the culture for the 55:38 purpose of control the what is the 55:40 purpose of control for well it's the 55:41 genocide right so when you look at them 55:45 promoting multi 55:47 culturalism well multiculturalism is 55:49 terrific feminism seems like in a lot of 55:51 ways terrific what's wrong with this 55:53 well if it's weaponized per tube used as 55:56 an element that is stated to be good but 55:59 it's being inserted into culture in such 56:03 a way as to produce infinite citizens 56:05 that can be easily you know controlled 56:08 and destroyed an attack then it's wrong 56:10 then the citizens have to respond 56:12 against it and and this is what we're 56:15 looking at and that's why I think that 56:18 you know the stuff we've been talking 56:19 about with the reviewing the the 56:24 elements of the German atrocities to see 56:27 what was used as propaganda you know 56:30 after World War two 56:33 you know is really very liberating it 56:36 makes for much clearer mind I was 56:39 looking at a video and it showed a very 56:45 emaciated Pio w and and they were 56:51 highlighting his leg which was just 56:53 amazed hadn't any Houten's about to die 56:57 of starvation and then it suddenly 57:00 stopped and into the scene appeared 57:02 Billy Wilder and and then you know then 57:08 everyone is sitting and talking and it 57:09 gets reshot now this is propaganda you 57:13 see Billy while is not there as a 57:15 historian right he wasn't brought there 57:18 to create an accurate history he was 57:19 there because he is they he creates 57:22 addiction he's a propagandist he's also 57:24 a freemason and you know it's just a 57:28 bizarre character but this is why he is 57:32 there and that's why you know when you 57:34 look at it just by an amazing quirk of 57:38 history it is another bearnaise who is 57:43 structuring the nuremberg trial right 57:46 you can rest assured or not kill with a 57:49 process that's attempting to find the 57:51 truth it's a process to create 57:53 propaganda you say this is what the 57:55 family does so we have been 57:59 you know basically led into a debate and 58:03 a a weakened condition by a system of 58:08 propaganda that it's easy to trace all 58:10 the way back to Greg or Luka after World 58:14 War one and even before that so you know 58:17 people just need to UM you know find the 58:22 energy to do the research to verify you 58:26 know everything that we've been saying 58:28 so that they can you know do their own 58:31 research and get you know a information 58:34 that's now available and clear their 58:37 minds of Tim and this you mentioned you 58:40 know you mentioned that corsola CG 58:42 Jack's of Israel in Martin and 58:43 mockingbirds which I think dates around 58:46 1949 which is pretty much right after 58:49 the CIA was created so that program was 58:52 instituted immediately after the CIA was 58:55 created of course your side Frank Wisner 58:56 who referred to his effort his ability 58:58 to manipulate the American people 59:00 through the media the Mighty Wurlitzer 59:03 you play the people like a world sir 59:05 organ this was done into the control of 59:08 the media through CIA mockingbirds know 59:11 so through the time-life empire which 59:13 goes back to scale and painless going 59:15 bones almost like the same secret 59:17 society that created outfits you know 59:20 created which created things like the 59:22 CIA which is sort of consummation of the 59:25 sort of successional issue the sisters 59:28 relationship that you know the families 59:30 the financial interest the banks had 59:33 with government you know going going way 59:36 back in history chuckling you know you 59:37 nice American history at that time 59:39 because you saw that in the 59:40 spanish-american war or the bank you 59:42 know 59:42 National City Bank work with the you 59:45 know with with the newspapers the yellow 59:48 journalists to ferment that war so they 59:51 can seize via the sugar fields in Cuba 59:53 and also go expand into Asia and then 59:57 work with the Japanese yeah for a while 60:00 till a liter so till they turn on the 60:02 Japanese it no I mean you have like the 60:05 first you know like heads of the CIA 60:07 you've got Donovan Dulles and Helms well 60:11 what 60:11 what is there you know like common theme 60:15 well they're all investment banking 60:17 attorneys yeah you know wait a sec this 60:20 is supposed to be you know international 60:23 intelligence organization that we can't 60:25 how come every single one of them 60:26 basically is a you know a manager of 60:31 money using legality it just seems 60:33 preposterous and then of course Donovan 60:36 is working with the head of the OSS in 60:38 in Europe with setting up things like 60:43 you know the Nuremberg drop and this is 60:45 Mellon right I mean this is the like 60:48 like general whatever you know Colonel 60:50 Mellon is like the Zion of the melon 60:54 family I mean the the influence of the 60:56 banking families inside of this messes 60:59 itself evident just another oh it's just 61:03 another clear point that the public 61:08 needs to recognize to understand that 61:10 that it is a organized society the 61:15 democracy we have is thick decisions 61:18 were being made based on the propaganda 61:21 I mean the the look you talked about 61:23 believe that the Germans had somehow 61:26 uniquely you know committed crimes 61:28 against humanity you know that's an 61:32 individual that can't participate in 61:33 democracy reasonably because they have 61:37 the fault history yeah because she can't 61:39 even she so her guilt is so pathological 61:43 and so internalized that the assault and 61:46 her own community her ethnicity she 61:48 can't even not know he can't you 61:50 articulating hardware she can't even 61:52 feel it yeah that's that so that's right 61:55 yeah and that's why when you see like 61:57 college kids women who are you know 62:01 victims of cultural Marxism that you 62:06 want to you know basically you know 62:10 physically defend safe spaces that you 62:13 know so they can have you know kind of 62:16 you know just these culturally 62:17 destructive organizations and you know 62:21 the the whole history of how these 62:25 ideas came into that person Ted needs to 62:30 be exposed to the individual so that 62:32 then they can go oh my gosh you know I 62:34 have been controlled well I really 62:37 heading off but it is like foundational 62:39 beliefs that's very hard when you come 62:42 across something as it's defining as the 62:48 Holocaust narrative and you find that it 62:49 starts to crumble under under scrutiny 62:52 all sudden your worldview starts to 62:54 crumble and what happens is you're not 62:59 what you're going to do it well but 63:01 against outsid I get a start I get a get 63:04 to work because I can't trust these 63:06 institutions that educated me that 63:08 informa the media so you're two choices 63:10 you can you can say no I'm not you're 63:12 just been saying I'm not going to hear 63:14 it and I'm just going to go back to 63:15 where I think the world is because I've 63:16 already personally invested so much time 63:19 into it and it would require me to go 63:21 back and reevaluate so much I don't have 63:22 time nor the inclination to do this I'm 63:24 not going to do this about I'm more it's 63:26 more comfortable with the with the 63:27 moralistic fairy tale I've been given 63:29 and so I'm not going to hear in your 63:31 honor 63:31 you let your world crumble then you 63:33 realize oh no you know you can't rely on 63:35 the university to educate you and why am 63:37 i paying for it you can't rely on the 63:40 you know the constituted legal 63:42 authorities to protect your rights you 63:43 can't rely on government you can't rely 63:45 on the media you can't read the 63:46 newspapers or you know the mainstream 63:49 media right to inform you I mean have to 63:51 start thinking I'm often you can't just 63:53 you're kind of stuck in a sort of a 63:55 befuddle bit because now we ready to get 63:57 information from it comes very confusing 63:59 bewildering and if you're of like most 64:01 people you just want the media to kind 64:04 of distill the news for you provide it 64:06 for you put a little package wrapped in 64:07 little bones like this is how the world 64:08 works 64:09 most people want that because they want 64:10 they have to go to work and then when in 64:12 the leisure time you do something with 64:15 their family or they want to be 64:16 entertained and who at the time - who 64:18 has a time - hold it hold these 64:19 Psychopaths accountable that's the big 64:21 problem no one has the practical time to 64:23 hold these Psychopaths accountable this 64:25 is why self government rule of law 64:28 democracy is such a sham because no one 64:30 puts the time and hold these hold these 64:32 crooks and Psychopaths accountable they 64:35 don't have the time and they don't have 64:37 the capacity and that's why 64:38 the internet is so dated to the Ozarks 64:43 because one the citizens can communicate 64:46 one another as for example us now that 64:49 the people are listening to the show and 64:52 moreover you can get vast amounts of 64:55 information very quickly you know and if 64:59 people start thinking clearly then it 65:02 becomes very dangerous because you know 65:04 I think when you have someone for 65:07 example an individual retirement is 65:08 confused hard to reach them even with 65:11 you know facts and you know clear 65:14 analysis but as people start to move 65:16 down the path you describe you know 65:19 starts out with a little bit of humility 65:22 and and it's very hot yeah we all might 65:25 national I can't believe this I've been 65:27 fooled very very humbling I remember 65:31 when I you know spent like a very bad 65:34 couple months looking at the building 7 65:37 collapse hmm and you know I had to do 65:40 this kind of bizarre mental shift 65:42 thinking you know that I'd been dealing 65:44 with you know the government and my 65:47 nation way I had been told about it and 65:50 then suddenly I realized wait a second 65:51 it's completely fake yeah you know and 65:54 that was very difficult and and it's 65:57 gotten better though because now there 65:59 at that time there really wasn't you 66:01 know the old media hasn't really 66:03 blossomed but now it's just you know 66:05 basically it's spreading everywhere and 66:07 so you know groups are becoming 66:11 established people are resisting and and 66:13 the basic natural capacity of the human 66:18 intellect is being unleashed yeah if you 66:22 don't if you don't believe that 66:23 buildings can be hit by airplanes in 66:27 aviation fuel can cause them to collapse 66:30 freefall and symmetrical collapse you 66:33 may doubt you may be skeptical in the 66:36 doctor session your word baby should be 66:38 even give hepatitis B shot but eyeliner 66:42 I find the same people who don't doubt 66:44 babies being given hepatitis B shots 66:46 under the cover of vaccines also don't 66:49 have no problem with watching these 66:51 buildings collapse freefall 66:52 in symmetrical collapse sorry guys 66:54 testicle damage 66:55 what a great it's light now get into 66:58 your interview with April Boden you come 67:01 at that point and it's just so profound 67:03 it's like look if they're going to be 67:05 giving newborn males you know vaccines 67:09 against sexually transmitted disease 67:11 then the whole system is completely fake 67:14 well I want to do the other thing get 67:16 away from me here yeah you're nuts get 67:19 out and so and so that's the that's 67:23 that's the moment it's when when the 67:25 citizen you know just I don't know how 67:29 to bring it about I wish I I did Tim I 67:31 wish I could find you know some way of 67:35 expressing the you know the research 67:37 I've done or the thinking that I've done 67:39 about these things in a form that would 67:41 help people get the like turned on 67:44 everyone basically has to go their own 67:47 path I imagine yeah well I guess we 67:51 about this evening mix companies if you 67:55 raise questions ask something they're 67:56 asking the act is just as if you think 68:00 you have the answer no I'm saying I 68:03 don't right I'm just pointing out these 68:06 inconsistencies these problems explain 68:08 this to me in the context of the 68:09 official narrative even given I'm 68:11 pointing out that what we use the 68:13 narratives we been given a fall false 68:17 rice and half throughs are right lies 68:19 and the best lies are actually 68:20 half-truths or partial truths yeah we're 68:23 trying to investigate to determine the 68:25 genre I mean truth is something that in 68:28 the absolute sense is something that 68:30 isn't even possible we're just trying to 68:32 determine what is the damn genre it's 68:35 propaganda is it mind control or is it 68:38 history if it's history there's a very 68:41 precise scrutiny that it can be placed 68:44 under and it can spin it can satisfy the 68:46 criteria of analysis there should be no 68:50 prohibition of analysis of what is 68:53 history the fact that that all these 68:56 countries have created laws against you 69:00 know questioning the Holocaust is an 69:03 absolute 69:05 certian that it is propaganda II because 69:08 because history never has a problem 69:11 being scrutinized propaganda always does 69:15 and all we're trying to do is we say 69:18 look we've got all of these elements 69:19 that are built into this German maniac 69:24 atrocity um you know storyline about 69:28 their behavior in World War 2 and the 69:30 Holocaust and all of these details seem 69:33 to be a historical but they all work in 69:37 terms of propaganda so the question is 69:40 what is the genre and it's just to me 69:42 it's just self evidence and particularly 69:44 when you show all these connections and 69:45 just I mean CD CD Jackson is a 69:50 propagandist that's what he does into 69:55 the entire mud the post-war network news 69:59 establishment right slithered out from 70:02 Office of War Information who SS Walter 70:04 Cronkite Sarnoff William Paley Herbert 70:08 Marcuse other media all get our 70:11 doughnuts for the whole thing that 70:13 realiable world you know that how are 70:15 how we are supposed to understand the 70:18 world you know is this is Cynthia their 70:22 lens you know yeah and and to take it as 70:26 gospel is ridiculous I mean it just it's 70:28 you just think about it for a couple 70:31 seconds well it sort of like it's sort 70:32 of like saying well gee I mean Bernays 70:35 created the Nuremberg trial so I guess I 70:37 should really treat it as objective 70:39 history yeah well we now know that 70:42 people were tortured and coerced yeah 70:44 and also we'll wait doesn't this family 70:46 just create propagate we didn't they 70:47 invent the term he didn't he write a 70:49 book I mean don't they don't they don't 70:51 they talk about know how like a small 70:53 group of people can control the the ways 70:55 that everyone understands history mmm 70:58 right so this in and of itself should 71:00 just raise the red flag we are dealing 71:04 with propagandist when they wanted the 71:06 document right did they bring in a 71:09 historian or a sectional filmmaker I 71:12 mean the people who created the these 71:15 videos it's Billy Wilder folks yeah I 71:18 mean this is a guy 71:19 that created the the scene with Marilyn 71:21 Monroe on a street grill with the her 71:23 dress billowing up hmm this is what this 71:26 is what the guy does he creates um 71:29 scenes for emotional effect he's not a 71:31 historian he's not a story 71:34 it is not history in these videos in 71:37 Spielberg anyone yeah brought us to 71:39 movie by Holocaust also got us a movie 71:43 about dinosaurs that are alive yeah 71:46 you know so it's oh it's just that we 71:50 have to we have to flip the bit you know 71:53 and just say you know what um too much 71:56 propaganda too little history we're 71:58 going to change directions here and the 72:01 citizens are going to as a group say you 72:03 know what we want to revisit this whole 72:05 thing we want to go back and look at 72:08 every single detail and don't hit us 72:11 with the idea that you know we're 72:12 Holocaust deniers we're not we just want 72:14 oh this genre that we were beating we're 72:17 being subjected to well that term didn't 72:19 wasn't used until the 70s I think Martin 72:22 Gilbert wrote a book called the 72:23 Holocaust in there 72:24 then there's the CBS miniseries Paul 72:28 just prior to that wasn't using it in 72:30 historiography of the Second World War 72:32 wasn't so such as centered around the 72:35 Holocaust now it is it's were not 72:36 seasoned Jews and the Holocaust and you 72:39 know world war two was a global 72:41 conflagration it meant different things 72:43 to different people because they 72:44 experience it differently 72:45 certainly it was different for the 72:47 Americans on the homefront than you're 72:48 in Europe you know where is being fodder 72:50 in Asia it's different if you worry 72:52 you're experienced the war was different 72:54 if you were an air-raid victim in 72:56 Dresden or if you were a inmate at a 72:58 concentration camp or a labor camp or if 73:00 you're on the air you know a soldier in 73:02 Eastern Front and your idea who was good 73:04 news/bad differs I heard an account of 73:06 some ethnic Georgians I believe during 73:10 this the 1942 campaign the Germans the 73:15 VAR mark liberated a train that was 73:19 headed east to the to to Siberia to the 73:22 gulag and they liberated these people 73:25 and save their lives from from the 73:28 Russians you know so their understanding 73:30 of who was bad and he's good 73:32 that war is very different than maybe a 73:34 Jewish poll of a Polish Jew if you are 73:39 Indian in starving to death because the 73:43 British policies when they were stealing 73:44 all the food out of Bengal 1943 to 73:47 export it through human use and your 73:49 family starve to death because of the 73:50 forced famine at the hands of the 73:52 British 73:52 your idea who is good who was bad as 73:55 different from that war so it's a very 73:56 complex event it isn't simple and that's 73:59 you've got to be the older obvious I'm 74:01 yes yeah that's right and what happens 74:03 it to me it's like okay so so the 74:05 question is is how many of these 74:06 elements have to go into dispute or 74:12 question marks in the gas chambers if 74:14 you subtract that from the narrative but 74:16 the the lampshade what about the human 74:20 experimentation right that that seems to 74:23 have been exactly the foundation of the 74:26 MKULTRA an experimentation right and 74:29 then the number of people killed in the 74:31 camps I mean what about this the you 74:33 know like the Red Cross is you know 74:35 estimate for you know 100,000 Jewish 74:39 deaths in other words if the six million 74:41 goes away if you start losing the 74:44 details 74:45 if they start disappearing as historical 74:47 elements that they'd start being exposed 74:49 as well it's just propaganda we're 74:51 trying how many of these things have to 74:53 disappear before the Holocaust then 74:57 doesn't have the psychological power 75:00 that the people who created the 75:03 propaganda wanted it to have you know 75:06 how many these elements I mean you know 75:09 if we really if people go well gee 75:11 Bernays created the Nuremberg trials 75:13 that's something you can really trust 75:15 I mean CD Jackson the guy who set up 75:18 Bilderberg and who was you know Henry 75:21 Luce skullenbones who created the Gordon 75:24 wasps and you know fake narrative to to 75:27 set up the counterculture I mean you 75:29 can't trust CD Jackson right and that's 75:31 Ewen Cameron he's writing these these 75:34 stories about the German people as these 75:36 atrocity creators and they're something 75:38 deranged whoa wait a second 75:39 Ewen Cameron is is MKULTRA human 75:44 experiment 75:45 Asians that are so vicious that it's 75:46 even hard to talk about them right so I 75:49 guess he's gone too right well then now 75:53 wait a second what's left of the 75:55 propaganda you see but propaganda power 75:59 starts to disappear you know you're 76:01 still left with the historical details 76:05 you know we're not denying anything we 76:08 are simply going through and trying to 76:10 make sense of the what has been asserted 76:13 and which can be basically put is either 76:16 false or as a question mark and then 76:18 looking at what's left to see well how 76:21 much political power does this does the 76:25 propaganda that tries to come from 76:28 something that is closer to history have 76:31 and you see my point is is that it has 76:33 none and that's really what people are 76:36 afraid of and that's why they've made 76:37 these laws you know so people can't 76:39 study and all these effects yeah yeah 76:41 and they try to their constant rying to 76:43 reinforce the you know the power of the 76:46 whole cost with these films and stuff 76:47 because they know it can transcend any 76:49 real scrutiny yes simple it's clear as a 76:51 bell to me it's just they know it can't 76:53 because they know that it's just it just 76:55 if one or two of these details starts to 76:58 collapse and then people go well I'm 77:00 going to look at another detail it 77:02 doesn't take many for people to realize 77:04 it's a you know it's propaganda it's not 77:07 history and that's why the shrunken 77:09 heads and the lampshade business I mean 77:12 that's that those are very valuable 77:14 things those are like the pay 77:16 requisitions for MKULTRA yeah yeah 77:19 they're so obviously fake and they show 77:21 that there wasn't the an attempt to 77:24 create propaganda at the very day that 77:29 the the u.s. Rove at the the so-called 77:32 concentration camp yeah every day so 77:35 they had this in mind the propagandas 77:37 been going full force since the very 77:40 beginning well do this day the camps are 77:41 now you know the camps are now theme 77:43 parks yeah ash which is a gift shop it's 77:48 in fact merchandising merchandising my 77:50 boy but not because I was talking about 77:55 this very subject of schism towards the 77:57 official there 77:58 the Holocaust and the problems with it 78:00 and some once ago I've been to the camps 78:03 this is good concentration cancer can 78:07 there cancel United State was that mean 78:09 it doesn't doesn't mean anytime 78:10 incidents and it's now established that 78:13 they did a construct fake gas chamber to 78:18 for people to tour in the Western camps 78:20 sure I mean yeah I mean if we're looking 78:24 at now is no more real than Schindler's 78:26 List 78:26 yeah well it's a movie most mostly well 78:28 that's how most people's view of the 78:30 world is done Stu and that really I was 78:32 thinking they get a from Hollywood to 78:34 get it which is just basic now now that 78:36 Hollywood can be exposed as just an arm 78:38 of the of the secret society people 78:42 should turn off that crap you know we I 78:45 have said over and over again on our 78:46 show that you know just turn off legacy 78:50 media as it's called legacy me you know 78:54 because it's not it looks like a 78:56 cesspool you go G is pornographic it's 78:59 stupid it's not accessible it's a weapon 79:02 II there is there is clever intent and 79:05 back of it and when you subject yourself 79:07 to you know Schindler's List and to you 79:11 know some debate about Holocaust deniers 79:14 that being held on CNN you're just being 79:17 you know in kind in a kind of mental 79:20 grinder that's just you know pushing you 79:22 in a certain direction this doesn't how 79:24 you're going to get to a clear mind you 79:27 know you get to find by realizing that 79:29 you know that propaganda is in play here 79:33 and then trying to do your own research 79:35 to find out what which one of the 79:37 elements is believable you you know and 79:39 how many of them have to become either a 79:42 question mark or just patently fake 79:44 before you realize that gee I've been 79:46 I've been you know suffering from the 79:49 effects of propaganda like that poor 79:50 lady you described yeah yeah well Joe I 79:54 think anything else I think you covered 79:56 it I think you know good yeah give it a 79:59 pretty bumpin yeah it's happy to have 80:02 this conversation I've been wanting to 80:03 talk about this for some time and I'm 80:05 glad I was able to talk about it with 80:06 you Tim that this is very interesting to 80:08 me and we'll see how people respond 80:12 yeah so probably called the not-see a 80:15 meter but we'll try to uh to point out 80:19 well we're not Holocaust deniers no I 80:22 get it 80:23 we're we're just seekers of the truth 80:25 you know where that's really what we 80:27 want to do and I think that you know 80:29 what they have a hard time because you 80:34 know it's so easy to show the how 80:37 propaganda is being created through all 80:39 of these different individuals Mali 80:41 different false elements that they're 80:45 putting that the search for the question 80:47 about what part of it is propaganda is 80:51 so obvious and righteous no one no one 80:54 can stand up you know against that 80:56 search for very long it's just it's time 80:59 to have it's time to happen - yeah so 81:01 much of the prep again I think Aaron 81:02 your analogy about Donald Duck is 81:04 valuable there because there was a duck 81:06 named Donald and you guess you could 81:08 call him Donald Duck 81:09 but he wasn't Donald dunk of Disney they 81:11 were all close to that so that's not 81:14 Thank You specialist yeah we can't we 81:16 can't you know they'll they'll say oh my 81:18 god you're denying the camps existed 81:20 you're denying the Jews died in the 81:22 camps you're denying died of no like 81:24 yeah if you are we are trying to find 81:27 the genre what is the intent of the 81:29 people who are bringing or weaving all 81:31 of these details into a story that we 81:34 then it becomes our narrative about 81:35 history what was the intent of these 81:37 people what was the intent of Sidi 81:39 Jackson what's the intent of you and 81:41 Cameron what's the intent of Bernays and 81:43 it could be that the use of vikon be and 81:47 secta side was there to deal with lice 81:51 therefore the knock down the typhus 81:52 problem as opposed to it was applied to 81:56 mass extermination well you know if they 81:59 want to just want to talk about that one 82:00 aspect yeah okay fine but but you know 82:04 great the enemies where well yeah let's 82:06 go through the evidence we can actually 82:07 that's it this is this is very this is 82:09 great because this would be an empirical 82:11 yeah you know is there enough first of 82:13 all we aware of the bodies where the 82:15 bones yeah 82:16 where are the the records of population 82:20 reduction why does why does the Red 82:22 Cross not have not seen any of this 82:25 where you know and then and then so the 82:28 evidence becomes you know the videos of 82:31 the bodies being pushed into you know I 82:33 mean is that it what does that evidence 82:34 up yeah it is force it doesn't it 82:38 doesn't show the violence it doesn't 82:39 show what led to the advantage of shows 82:41 a big pile of corpses I'm sorry 82:43 skinny emaciated the sick job you know 82:46 that doesn't tell us anything 82:48 Germany was full of people like that 82:50 it's called a famine that's one thing 82:51 war creates is famine especially when 82:53 everything you've been bombed back to 82:55 the Stone Age yeah so that is that you 82:58 don't you don't need to have many of 83:00 these elements and that's like what the 83:01 gassing thing was trying to I I hadn't 83:03 run I've done a lot of work in it but I 83:04 did some work this week trying to make 83:06 some sense out it's completely absurd I 83:08 just I just mean the case that it is 83:13 clear history is absurd right there just 83:16 is not clear evidence that well we can 83:18 absolutely be sure that six million Jews 83:20 are put into gas and now sorry you know 83:23 I don't see where the you know and where 83:27 the bone first of all so you know well 83:30 they were incinerated where how yeah you 83:33 know what'll rate with what fuel yeah 83:36 and where is the fuel to do this right 83:38 because I mean the thing is is that in 83:41 okay say it's a what we're dealing or 83:44 there's propaganda not history mmm okay 83:48 Joe let you go and my brother well hard 83:50 just us we'll get them next week okay 83:51 next week taking it and go enjoy your 83:53 weekend bye-bye 83:57 [Music] 84:26 yes 84:31 [Music] 84:42 [Music] 84:51 [Music] 85:34 [Music] 85:42 [Music] 85:44 there's no 85:49 [Music]

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