Talk:Turkey

Requested move 20 January 2022

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The result of the move request was: Not moved per WP:SNOW (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 19:35, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

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Turkey → Türkiye – The country has changed its English name to Türkiye. 2600:6C5A:657F:D1F5:48D3:2853:9745:8762 (talk) 03:20, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Won't happen as everyone will keep referring to them as Turkey! Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 03:27, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose for now, per WP:COMMONNAME. Even in the period after Erdogan's December memo, 'Turkey' predominates in English-language sources. News in the past 48 hours has described the name change as an ongoing process, with unclear timelines. It's far too soon to make a call on this, and I propose a short moratorium on requested moves until other governments, inter-governmental agencies, and news media can react to moves by the country. Firefangledfeathers 03:36, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. Obviously way too soon for such a major change. Wikipedia does not lead, it follows. But if this ever does catch on and the article gets moved, then Turkey (bird) should be moved to Turkey. Rreagan007 (talk) 04:35, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Since the bird is named for the country, we'll have to change its name to "Türkiye" also to be consistent. :) BilCat (talk) 16:25, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. As stated above, the most common in the English-language name for the nation is Turkey. Perhaps if media and other sources follow suit with using Türkiye, there would be a stronger argument for the change. ExRat (talk) 05:32, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Alex2006 (talk) 06:26, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:USEENGLISH and WP:COMMONNAME. Turkiye or its equivalent only used by Turkey major English sources. 125.167.57.203 (talk) 07:45, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME, until the preponderance of reliable English language sources routinely use the spelling "Türkiye". Cullen328 (talk) 07:58, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose No sign WP:COMMONNAME has changed, as stated above. This needs more than a memo from Erdogan to change it - WP:RS English-language usage has to change before we change. DeCausa (talk) 08:02, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Per Firefangledfeathers. Slightly off-topic, this website [2] use the new spelling, but this [3] doesn't yet. Apparently, the word "Turkish" is still ok per government.[4] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:14, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. The name change is not even adopted yet by the largest two Turkish media in English language, Hurriyet Daily News and Daily Sabah, who continue to use "Turkey" as of now. Due mention of the name change can be slowly phased in if usage in local and global English-language media actually increases. Once the name change will be established and dominate in a wide range of sources (which is entirely WP:CRYSTALBALL), we can address the page title again. –Austronesier (talk) 12:41, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose the English name is Turkey, not "Türkiye". Super Ψ Dro 13:41, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per Turkish Constiution. Shadow4dark (talk) 13:46, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - obviously not the common name. The limit should probably be the lede sentence and a mention in the prose. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:04, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
• Comment. This should be a snow close at this point, as it's obvious this RM will fail. Rreagan007 (talk) 17:13, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
• Support and make this title a DAB, no clear primary topic for "Turkey". Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:34, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
  • @Crouch, Swale: could you provide a rationale for your !vote? Firefangledfeathers 19:27, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
    • @Firefangledfeathers: A combination of WP:NATURAL, alternative names may be used to settle titles by using alternative names as well as WP:NOPRIMARY for "Turkey". Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:29, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. I would note that we have no reason to assume that Türkiye will ever be used a an English word by native English speakers. If we accept Crouch, Swale's argument above, the correct response would be the one they proposed at the August RM. Kahastok talk 18:09, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

  My point was partly the fact that the country is probably going to sometimes be called "Turkey" and sometimes "Türkiye" so this reduces the chances of the country being primary for "Turkey". Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:21, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

• Support per noWP:NAMECHANGES.--Ortizesp (talk) 19:17, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
  • WP:NAMECHANGES would support retaining 'Turkey', as independent, reliable sources since the name change are continuing to use 'Turkey'. See, for example, the first five new pieces I found searching for 'Erdogan': Bloomberg, Wall Street Journal, Times of Israel, The Defense Post, and Reuters]. All but Reuters use 'Turkey' exclusively, and Reuters uses neither version. Firefangledfeathers 19:27, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

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RfC on the official name of the country in the lede

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: There's consensus for Option 1. Among the cited arguments is that the country's name has not been officially changed at the UN. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 17:04, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

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User:ClueBot III/DoNotArchiveUntil Which of the following two should be the article's lede sentence?

1. Turkey (Turkish: Türkiye [ˈtyɾcije]), officially the Republic of Turkey (Turkish: Türkiye Cumhuriyeti [ˈtyɾcije dʒumˈhuːɾijeti])
2. Turkey (Turkish: Türkiye [ˈtyɾcije]), officially the Republic of Türkiye (Turkish: Türkiye Cumhuriyeti [ˈtyɾcije dʒumˈhuːɾijeti])

Chess (talk) (please use on reply) 19:38, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Poll

• Option 2. The most official name in English is "Türkiye", not "Turkey". WP:COMMONNAME doesn't apply here because we're discussing what we should describe the official name as, not what we should title or describe the country as in the text. Chess (talk) (please use on reply) 19:38, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
• Option 1 We do not base wikipedia articles off the statements of Turkish state media. The UN still lists Turkey's name as "Turkey" and it is still WP:COMMONNAME so I suggest Option 1 unless there is some sort of official law mandating the change.
  • We do when we're discussing what name is "official". Chess (talk) (please use on reply) 18:53, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

  There is still no official act of the Grand National Assembly mandating this name change. Erdoğan can flaunt his nationalist agenda all he wants, but I am only willing to change my answer if there is a specific law for changing the name. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 19:37, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

• Option 2 The Turkish government is using the name "Republic of Türkiye" and the article should be in line with other articles such as the Ivory Coast with "Republic of Côte d'Ivoire" even if is not the common English name of the country.--Kappasi (talk) 17:47, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
• Option 2 for neutrality, so that both spellings of the name (Turkey, Türkiye) are represented. Khestwol (talk) 17:51, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
• Option 1 It’s misleading to say this is a new “official” name. What has happened is much more limited than that. This is Erdogan’s circular of 3 December and this is Hürriyet Daily News’s coverage of it. What the circular actually says is that “Made in Türkiye” should be stamped on exports - that’s the focus of the circular. As far as other usage is concerned, it says “necessary sensitivity will be shown on the use of the phrase ‘Türkiye’ instead of phrases such as ‘Turkey,’ ‘Turkei,’ ‘Turquie’ etc.”. Erdogan doesn’t under the constitution have the power to determine an “official name” for the country and the circular doesn’t claim that this is the official name in English. Some of the Turkish media have got very excited about this and there’s plenty of exaggerated references to an “official name” but I don’t believe any such media coverage is WP:RS for the legal position, which is this is about, per WP:RSCONTEXT. DeCausa (talk) 18:12, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

  Türkiye is used by most government departments now on their official English language websites, not just for products made in Turkey.Kappasi (talk) Kappasi (talk) 20:44, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

  that doesn’t make it the “official name” and there are departments that don’t use it. DeCausa (talk) 20:51, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

• Option 1 The official name of the country has not changed. It is still Türkiye Cumhuriyeti. We translate it by its components the way these are translated in common usage: Türkiye → "Turkey" Cumhuriyet → "Republic". The current government has chosen to promote "Turkiye" as translation for Türkiye, and hence "Republic of Türkiye" for Türkiye Cumhuriyeti, but that does not affect the rendering of the official name in WP based on common usage. –Austronesier (talk) 18:30, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
• Option 1. As far as I can tell, Erdogan did not declare "Republic of Türkiye" to be the country's official name. His memo expressed his wish that "Türkiye" be used as the brand of the nation in official publications and communications, mentioning "Made in Türkiye" in particular. No mention of what the official name in English should be. Many sources covering this in the following months have made it clear that this is an ongoing process, including by getting the UN to change the way it refers to the country. No source presented so far has said that this has actually happened. The UN is still using "Republic of Turkey".
  Major Turkish governmental institutions, including its national legislature and highest court, are still prominently using "Turkey", with the Constitutional Court using the full "Republic of Turkey". English language news media is continuing to use "Republic of Turkey" over "of "Türkiye" by about 5:1, according to Google News hits over the past month. Even Turkey's executive branch does not seem to have settled on its final choice. As of February, Erdogan was considering dropping the diacritic mark from the u.
  Nothing official has happened when it comes to "Republic of Türkiye" yet. We'll know when it's official because the whole Turkish government, other nations, intergovernmental organizations, and news media will shift. That has not happened. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:01, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
• Option 1 for now. As I read from some sources (here, here and here, for instance), Turkey is registering the new name at the UN. I would switch to Option 2 when this registration will become official. P1221 (talk) 07:24, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Why would “registering” the name at the UN make a difference? The UN doesn’t have a function as an “official name” registry. Might as well check the registration at the International Poultry Council. DeCausa (talk) 12:49, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

The UN does have this function actually, assigned to UNGEGN. Even without this, a submission to any international body, in general, would be a useful sign that the name change was serious. In line with that, I note that the International Poultry Council still refers to the country as "Turkey". CMD (talk) 13:20, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

They may well be the last hold out for the old name…UNGEGN is an “experts forum” for cartographic consistency, as I understand it. I don’t think a country can “register” their preferences with them. Basically, what Turkey has done has put in their request for what goes on the name plaque that they sit behind. DeCausa (talk) 13:31, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Some of NATO and Organisation of Turkic States seems to use this. Beshogur (talk) 13:10, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

• Option 1. Despite "Republic of Türkiye" is currently being used by the top official bodies, it has not been declared as the official name of the country. It is more of a governmental preference than an official name. Nozdref (talk) 11:15, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

  It's more official than "Republic of Turkey". Chess (talk) (please use on reply) 19:28, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

• Option 1 If Option 1 wins and Option 2 subsequently becomes registered with the UN and put into use, we can re-open this RfC. SportingFlyer T·C 15:56, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
• Option 2. why not mention the name they have chosen to use ? Article title and first mention still common name with native name mentioned.Moxy-15px 16:11, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Türkiye is already mentioned, and is the third word of the first sentence, in the article currently, and in both options. The issue isn’t about mentioning it, it’s whether, in addition to that, it should also be stated the “official name” is “Republic of Türkiye”. DeCausa (talk) 18:30, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes "Türkiye Cumhuriyeti" Moxy-15px 20:45, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

• Support

1. REDIRECT Template:Talk quote inline

• This is a redirect from a page that has been moved (renamed). This page was kept as a redirect to avoid breaking links, both internal and external, that may have been made to the old page name. For more information follow the bold category link. not sure for infobox. Maybe Republic of Turkey / Türkiye. Beshogur (talk) 13:09, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
• Option 1 Per other users, this dictat was not a constitutional change nor a law, and seems to only apply to official organizations. Not only that, it doesn't seem to catch on outside of Turkish governmental media outlets, which seem to be obliged to follow this decree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ido66667 (talk • contribs) 20:53, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
• Option 2 The Official name is Republic of Türkiye so we should use it.Yousef Raz (talk) 22:59, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
• Option 1 Until such time as it is clear that international bodies - such as the UN - have adopted this form. Pincrete (talk) 15:05, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

  Has been done...just waiting on UN [5] Moxy-15px 21:21, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Actually, that source doesn’t say it has been done. In fact, all the sources to date seem to say that Turkey is planning to do it with no confirmation that it has been done yet, eg this which said back in January that it was going to be done “in the coming weeks”. DeCausa (talk) 22:01, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

yup done all over just not at the UN yet.....Why are we waiting on the UN...is it the only source we can use? What is wrong with the constitution? Seem odd for us to wait on one single source when we have many that are much more relevent. Moxy-15px 22:09, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

It’s not in the constitution and no one’s using it much. DeCausa (talk) 22:18, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

I didn't knew that Turkey's Turkish constitution talked about English name of its name. I don't think so. Also Organization of Turkic States and some NATO bodies started to use the name "Türkiye". Beshogur (talk) 14:59, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Exactly. DeCausa (talk) 15:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

• Option 1 (as) Per other users mentioned the needed explanation. Ali Ahwazi (talk) 20:54, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
• Option 1 is more common in English. --Seggallion (talk) 15:41, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
• Option 1 for consistency. Turkey (Turkish: Türkiye), officially the Republic of Turkey (Turkish: Türkiye Cumhuriyeti) Some1 (talk) 01:44, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
• Option 1 per P1221. BilledMammal (talk) 03:21, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
• Option 1 makes the most sense for the English wiki. — Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Join WP:FINANCE! 00:35, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Other proposal

I think there’s an Option 3 to reflect that Erdoğan has launched a campaign to have Türkiye adopted in foreign language use even if it isn’t actually an “official name” change. I suggest adding a footnote to the words “…officially the Republic of Turkey…” in the first sentence which says:

References

This, I think, more accurately reflects that this is about a campaign to encourage a change of usage rather than an “official” name change, which overstates what’s happening. DeCausa (talk) 12:44, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

That's unnecessary and UNDUE, IMHO. Turkey#Name is a more fitting place for that, not a footnote in the lead. Some1 (talk) 01:53, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 May 2022

Turkiye not turkey Rename per government of turkiye order 2600:8805:AA06:9100:389A:E3CF:781B:A66F (talk) 20:06, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Shadow4dark (talk) 20:18, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 May 2022

No genocides have been recorded during the end years of the ottoman times. Only speculation from Armenian hate extremists. Their own president had admitted it. Another note is that there was officialy only 1.3 million armenians around the 1910s when there was speculation of only 1.5 million deaths thereafter. Complete contradiction. Russian embassy also denies any Deaths. Due to this completely disgusting 'SPECULATION' of ' multiple genocides' this editor must not ever touch a Wikipedia site again. Change must be seen or else Wikipedia will be exposed as a no reliable joke of a website 115.70.218.93 (talk) 01:51, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Please provide reliable sources for the changes you want to make. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 01:58, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Source with the picture of evident (A document in Russia's official archives). https://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/russian-archives-refute-armenian-genocide-claims-9192242 31.223.48.163 (talk) 00:54, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

"Republic of Türkiye" has been registered

See UNTERM--Mike Rohsopht (talk) 14:30, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Done, mentioned it in the lede. Khestwol (talk) 09:48, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Move the article to Türkiye

The United Nations has formally accepted that it will rename the country to Türkiye on behalf of president Erdogans request.Jay 66483 (talk) 11:36, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

We already mention Türkiye in the lede now. However, it is too early for the move. We have to wait for secondary sources to start using the term more commonly. Khestwol (talk) 11:59, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

It shouldn't move due to commonname. Beshogur (talk) 13:20, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Not going to happen, it’s the same case as Ivory Coast (Cote D’Ivoire). Turkey is the commonname for the country in English by far. Gonzaloges (talk) 15:46, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 June 2022

Change all instances of "Turkey" to "Türkiye" as this is now the international name of the country, per: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/un-registers-turkiye-as-new-country-name-to-replace-turkey/2603492 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/turkey-nation-name-change-turkiye/ https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/2/un-registers-turkiye-as-new-country-name-for-turkey Nickjthay (talk) 13:47, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: see WP:COMMONNAME Cannolis (talk) 13:49, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Turkiye, not tutkey anymore

Please 2A02:908:13B7:7720:5CF3:AB9F:FDE8:21FA (talk) 13:54, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Add to Category: Country Name Changes

Since the name was officially changed, should this page be added to Category: Country Name Changes? The category page itself doesn't have any criteria for inclusion, but I don't see any reason it shouldn't go there (unless the category is only for situations that resulted in a page move, but from the context of the supercategories, that doesn't seem to be the case). Areferencetopeterkropotkins1892booktheconquestofbread (talk) 15:15, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 June 2022 (2)

The name of this page should be changed from Turkey to Türkiye, or at least Turkiye without the umlaut, given the following news: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/2/un-registers-turkiye-as-new-country-name-for-turkey

"The spokesman said the country name change became effective from the moment the letter was received." Jeffhba (talk) 16:00, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: This is actually a controversial edit, so you'll need to discuss first with other editors. Please open a new section here and start a discussion. See discussion above. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:08, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

I think we'll have to wait to see what usage reliable English language sources use. There are plenty of countries whose common English names are not the same as their official names, e.g. Germany. Sizeofint (talk) 16:11, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Czechia did the same six years ago. However, attempts to rename the article Czech Republic to Czechia have not been successful yet, always because of the WP:COMMONNAME policy. And there were five attempts since then. --Unloose ^(talk) 17:17, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Türkiye

The country has formally changed there name at the UN and at home, the page should show that. 2603:7000:3B40:B500:9975:83EF:67A1:FEF4 (talk) 16:35, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

The country has formally changed "their" name... innit? 86.170.111.221 (talk) 19:39, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Name Turkiye

The Turkic name, Turkiye has been officially recognised in the UN. So, now the argument has ended on that matter.

However, some people are saying to follow the Ivory Coast analogy and keep references to the old/English name, Turkey, in some places.

However, I think since many countries have are referred by their actual name, instead of the old/English name, like Eswatini, shouldn't Turkiye habe the right to too have their name be mentioned as they want?

What do you all think? GucciNuzayer (talk) 17:30, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

See WP:COMMONNAME. All depends whether English-language sources use it or stick with Turkey. I think it’s unlikely they’ll chanhge but only time will tell. DeCausa (talk) 17:33, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

So why you pushed variant with Türkiye in LEDE?! My option was better, following an example and analogy of Ivory Coast. Talk:Turkey#RfC_on_the_official_name_of_the_country_in_the_lede did not even consider the option to follow similar cases already existing on Wikipedia. Chrz (talk) 18:57, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

The actual, modern name of this country in English is Turkey, and will remain so until and unless usage by English-speakers changes. Turkish government decisions are irrelevant to this. Kahastok talk 17:48, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Do you mean like Peking and Bombay? Or how about Burma, Rhodesia, Gold Coast? Oh wait! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C8:3D0A:3301:F4CB:2609:D8A8:1E11 (talk) 19:10, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

In every single one of those cases, usage by ordinary English speakers changed. Can you provide evidence that English speakers in the real world - as opposed to the UN or the Turkish government - have started using Türkiye instead of Turkey? Kahastok talk 19:22, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Well, this source used it for the title: "Lithuania signs deal with Türkiye to purchase Bayraktar drone for Ukraine" which has nothing to do with the name. --StellarNerd (talk) 19:47, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

I guess the question is if english speakers have already adopted the new world into their conversations, at the moment it's difficult to differentiate between long-term adoption and latest fashion. 89.242.18.154 (talk) 19:56, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

So you can find a single article in a single source from a non-English-speaking country. Meanwhile, I can demonstrate that Turkey is dominant over Türkiye in Google searches in the last week in all major English-speaking countries - for example, the US, the UK, Australia, Canada, India, South Africa... Kahastok talk 21:35, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, and here’s the same Ukrainian drone news story in far more prominent and reputable English-language sources referring to Turkey not Türkiye: Independent, Bloomkberg, Reuters, and ABC Australia. In fact, there is only one news report of that story (the one StellaNerd references) that uses Türkiye compared to dozens that report the same story using Turkey. DeCausa (talk) 21:51, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

"also known as Türkiye" in LEDE - possible / when possible? Chrz (talk) 21:54, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

If and when it becomes accurate. At present Turkey is not "also known as Türkiye" in English in any sense worth mentioning. Kahastok talk 22:01, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

"rarely Türkiye" then. At least something. Chrz (talk) 06:11, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

The word Türkiye already appears twice in the first sentence. Adding it a third time amounts to clutter at this point. DeCausa (talk) 06:47, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

It appears once or zero times, according to current state of edit war. Now it says "Turkey, officially the Republic of Türkiye". I don't consider names in ( ) because those are Turkish names as clearly stated and we are dealing with English names. Chrz (talk) 16:30, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Ok but they want their name like that change it to "Türkiye" the United Nations approved it just agree. Acidois (talk) 22:51, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

There are:

• official short name - you should copy it from some authority (UN, US department of state)... not translate it directly word by word from foreign language
• official long name - political - dtto
• common name - how it is known generally (usually the same as official short name)

LEDE now lacks several of those names and slightly misleads with that ", officially the", more precise would be ", formally the" since typically a country has 2 OFFICIAL names - short and long. Chrz (talk) 20:29, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

No there aren’t. This is just your own ideas aka WP:OR DeCausa (talk) 20:39, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

If someone states that something is official, it must be stated according to what authority it is official. Otherwise it is just a name used by a lot of sources but it does not make it official. Geographical and political names being my construct? Sure sure :D Chrz (talk) 21:13, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

What you’ve written is incoherent. DeCausa (talk) 21:17, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

No. Chrz (talk) 21:30, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

• There is another thing to consider here. With the current Turkey there is ambiguity. When you say "I hate Turkey", are you a bigot? A vegan? Someone who doesn't like Thanksgiving? With Turkiye there is no need to make clear which Turkey noun you are referring to. --StellarNerd (talk) 06:16, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

That's an argument for why the common name could/should change, not for whether it has changed to the point that it should be adopted here. 83.85.75.5 (talk) 07:21, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Except most English-speakers won’t know what you’re referring to at all because Türkiye is not used in the English-speaking world. When and if it becomes used that will change. DeCausa (talk) 06:50, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

United Nations officially recognises Turkey’s change of name

The United Nations has officially changed Turkey’s name to the “Republic of Turkiye”. The UN Secrerary-General stated that the change of name occured the moment it received a letter from the Turkish Foreign Ministry requesting the change.

International protocol now requires all Countries to refer to Turkey as the Republic of Turkiye. 202.142.38.119 (talk) 18:04, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not care about international protocol or what the Turkish president says. Erdogan has no power here. Seloloving (talk) 01:49, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

What is your problem with the President of Türkiye? X1 31.223.48.151 (talk) 02:29, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

What the fuck? That's the actual name. Elgatoisacat (talk) 03:15, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Resolution to the Turkiye argument

Since the common name in English is still “Turkey” for most people, who might not be aware of the name change, but the official name is now Turkiye, shouldn’t it read: "Turkey, officially the Republic of Türkiye"

18:50, 2 June 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheAmericanWarlord (talk • contribs)

I agree. --Moester101 (talk) 19:42, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Dubious. The only truly official name is Türkiye Cumhuriyeti. What can be said about Türkiye in English? (1) Erdoğan issued a memo expressing his preference for it (2) Most but not all Turkish agencies/ministries use it on the English versions of their websites (3) The UN has agreed to use it on UN English-language literature. The question is what does “official” mean? Clearly the constitutional name of a country is official (Türkiye Cumhuriyeti). But it’s not clear what “official” means in the context of other languages. There is no Turkish law that attempts to require the use of Türkiye in foreign languages. If Erdoğan says Türkiye should be used when speaking French and Académie Française says it’s Turquie, which is “official” for French? DeCausa (talk) 19:58, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

UNTERM contains English and French names. Official are short and long - both - "UN official". There's also "ISO official" and no word about that yet. UNGEGN which contains 6 world languages has not been changed yet - so Arabic, Chinese, Russian and Spanish names for ex-Turkey are yet to be seen. Other languages will probably not be affected, in UN sense or generally. I guess they cannot press all languages to be unified on ther Türkiye, no country managed it yet, and consider different aplhabets too... Chrz (talk) 21:27, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

They certainly can press all languages to be unified on Türkiye, both in spelling and pronunciation. In fact, this is their intention. The Ivorian government's preference for Côte d'Ivoire is exactly the same - it applies in every language, not matter what their script or ordinary spelling conventions, or whether the word is actually pronounceable in the target language.

Whether anyone will listen is another question. Funnily enough, unpronounceable words tend not to catch on. Kahastok talk 10:07, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Comment For the time being, it should be "Turkey or Türkiye, officially the Republic of Türkiye". 120.17.142.88 (talk) 01:49, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Oppose. We don't call Vietnam the Socialist Republic of Viet Nam. Seloloving (talk) 01:58, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Viet Nam and Vietnam are the same thing, both can be used interchangeably. 120.17.142.88 (talk) 02:27, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

References

Rename Turkey to „Türkey“

This is the new Politicily Name for the Turkish State in Anatolia, since today Turkish President decided that. MountainKurd (talk) 21:19, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Do people read this talk page before posting? For 11th time same section in 2 days! Chrz (talk) 21:29, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

SUPPORT It is now official. Turkey has become a historical name:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/06/02/turkey-turkiye-erdogan-united-nations-un/ 120.17.142.88 (talk) 23:20, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Nope, it's still the common name. Wikipedia does not care what the Turkish president says. Seloloving (talk) 01:48, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

It's the Turkish people, not the Turkish president. Turkey has been known as Türkiye for thousands of years. Turkish people will get emotional when they hear Türkiye. On the other hand, Turkey is an unwelcomed name in Türkiye, it must be deleted. 120.17.142.88 (talk) 02:12, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 June 2022 (3)

The article mixes different English spellings (MOS:ARTCON), e.g. both "centre" and "center" appear in the current version of the article, and the introduction has both "liberalised" and "industrialized". Please change "centered", "center of Christianity", "considered to be the center", "colored ink", and "legalizing" to "centred", "centre of Christianity", "considered to be the centre", "coloured ink", and "legalising". Also, please change all references to "...ization" and "...ized" (e.g. "organization" and "industrialized") from "z" spellings to "s" spellings. 49.198.51.54 (talk) 22:15, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Well, what’s the WP:ENGVAR for this article? There’s more “center” than “centre” and “color” but no “colour”, more “defense” than “defence”. “z” instead of “s” can optionally be British English as well as compulsorily US English. It’s not clear which way any move to consistency should go. DeCausa (talk) 22:28, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

At the top of the article, we find {{EngvarB|date=November 2019}}. At the bottom of the article, you will find Category:EngvarB from November 2019. I find the documentation for {{EngvarB}} unenlightening, to say the least, and in need of clarification and copy editing. Someone may have to dig in to the history of this article to determine the best variant of English to use. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:11, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Turkey has officially changed its English name to Türkiye

As a friend of Türkiye, I just want to announce to the world that Turkey has become a historical name. The United Nations has accepted the request lodged by the Turkish Foreign Minister to change Turkey's name to Türkiye.

Link:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/06/02/turkey-turkiye-erdogan-united-nations-un/

So, no more Turkey. I don't know how long would it takes for those people who are as stubborn as a turkey to accept this reality, but eventually this article must be renamed Türkiye. 120.17.142.88 (talk) 23:32, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

You will have to wait for it to be the common name. Until then, this article will remain at Turkey. Czechia has likewise not gained international recognition, with most sources still referring to it as the Czech Republic. This transitional process will probably take a few years. Seloloving (talk) 01:47, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Inappropriate example used. Czechia is the short form of the Czech Republic, just like France is the short form of the French Republic. Both names would be fine as they are literally the same entity. For Türkiye, Turkey is an unfavourite historical name now, they don't want anything to do with it anymore, so people should adopt the new name asap. 120.17.142.88 (talk) 01:55, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Then you will have to wait a few years. Turkey is still the common name. Seloloving (talk) 01:56, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Tuck, tuck, errrrr.....tuck, errrrr...tuck, tuck, tuck, errrrr, tuck. 120.17.142.88 (talk) 02:18, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

counterpoint: no one waited around to stop referring to Eswatini as "Swaziland" 108.18.116.121 (talk) 05:50, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Two things helped Eswatini: 1) relatively unknown country is easier to rename 2) white guilt. Chrz (talk) 06:20, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Czechia isn't the short form of Czechia, it's the actual name. But yes, as Chrz notes, it was easier with eSwatini because the country is relatively unknown and therefore there weren't a great deal of otherwise uninterested wikipedians ignoring the fact that even though the name might not be used in the US it is used in Europe. There is clearly a lot of interest in moving page, and it's a relatively easy process to start this, as described clearly on Wikipedia:Requested moves/Controversial. Would suggest that someone particularly interested in the topic does so :) Hentheden (talk) 09:46, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Update correct name of the Country as - Türkiye

Officially confirmed and registered with the U.N 49.184.213.79 (talk) 00:53, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

No. It doesn't matter how many countries call it Türkiye or what its official name is. Wikipedia adheres to the common name in the present and does not care about Erdogan. Seloloving (talk) 01:54, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

What is your problem with the President of Türkiye? X2 31.223.48.151 (talk) 02:28, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Your knowledge about Türkiye and Turkish history is 0. 120.17.142.88 (talk) 02:33, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

SUPPORT Yes, thank you very much. 120.17.142.88 (talk) 02:30, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

SUPPORT Turkiye is now the country's name. Whether we support Erdogan or not, that is the country's official name. There is no argument here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.69.133.6 (talk) 06:01, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia's agreed policy for situations like this can be found at WP:NAMECHANGES. Basically, article titles are usually determined by the name used by reliable sources. Because the country has only just been renamed, most recent coverage uses the name Turkey. This may change, and if that happens, the article will be renamed. However, it may take a while. For instance, when Swaziland was renamed eSwatini, the article wasn't moved until several months later. I suspect this case will be similar.

Also, let up with the personal attacks. YttriumShrew (talk) 03:46, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Kiwis always make reasonable and respectable comments on the Internet. Respect to New Zealand. 120.17.142.88 (talk) 03:58, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

The only way the article will be renamed is if a consensus to do so is reached at a requested move. If anybody feels that there is a realistic chance of such a request gaining enough support they should initiate that process, although I doubt it would at this stage. Fornleier (talk) 04:47, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

It appears as though Huff Post[6] has reported that the name change has been effective from the minute they submitted the paper. Fbifriday (talk) 04:58, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

13th section about the same thing. People, read the talk page! Initiate Requested move then. But I am confident it is a lost case. For now and years to come. But in some shape and form it might be inserted to lead section, although it was also discussed recently - but now there's that change that it is official ("UN official").Chrz (talk) 06:16, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

I think it will catch. The whole country/poultry angle is confusing. Using Turkiye simplifies writing because you don't need to clarify you aren't referring to the bird. --StellarNerd (talk) 06:18, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

And what is the correct pronunciation of the new word? We do not know and yet we think it will end the confusion? Or is it [ˈtyɾcije], same as Turkish pronunciation? And isn't it confusing that adjective will still be Turkish? Chrz (talk) 06:23, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

The pronunciation is easy. Both Türkiye and Turkey are pronounced similarly, but Türkiye has an extra syllable at the end — pronounced "yay". That's it: "tuh·kee·yay". I am not Turkish, but I can easily pronounce that word without any problem.

As for the adjective, I propose Türkiyen. 120.17.142.88 (talk) 07:26, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

You say the pronunciation is easy, then you get it wrong. Türkiye is to be pronounced exactly as it is pronounced in Turkish. So that means [tyɾcije].

Of course, unless the Turkish government is somehow going to force billions of people to take Turkish lessons, they're not going to get their way on that. The only monoglot English speakers who will pronounce [tyɾcije] correctly are academic linguists. But given that there is no significant usage in English it's the only thing we can go on.

Also worth mentioning is that the i in Türkiye is a Turkish dotted i, not the normal Latin i. Thus, as seen on the website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the correct all-caps form is theoretically TÜRKİYE, not TÜRKIYE. Again, chances of the Turkish government getting their way on that are basically zero, but it is the only thing we have to go on at the moment since there is no significant usage in English. Kahastok talk 08:11, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Much as I personally prefer the country to be called Türkiye, we do need to follow WP policy on conventional/most commonly used names. Just be patient and wait a few months to see if this name catches on in other media (one comparison I can think of is the old Kiev/Kyiv dispute that's since been more or less settled). If it does, then by all means, change it to the new name. Yekshemesh (talk) 07:53, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

SUPPORT The country have changed their name at the UN, we should respect their right to do so. Felixsv7 (talk) 09:14, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

• Support: I don't believe WP:COMMONNAME applies. I will elaborate at a later time. HandsomeBoy (talk) 10:54, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

• Comment These "support" votes are irrelevant. There was just a Request for Comment above not 2 months ago, where the consensus was to retain the current name per WP:COMMONNAME, this small discussion is not going to override that. Someone can initiate a new RFC if they like, but it will likely be fruitless. ValarianB (talk) 12:08, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Two months ago, the UN had not recognized the new name of the country as Türkiye. Turkey is not a "common name" - it is now, as of today, simply an incorrect name. This is analogous to when Caitlyn Jenner changed her name from Bruce. The day before that change, Bruce Jenner was the correct name for the article. The day that she announced her new name, Caitlyn Jenner was the correct name. It's the same thing here. --B (talk) 12:31, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

  Naming a country is a choice, A or B. A trans person does not "choose" to be trans, any more than a gay person "chooses" to be attracted to the same sex. The suggestion otherwise is steeped in bigotry and transphobia. ValarianB (talk) 12:38, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

  They don't "choose" to be trans - they do, however, "choose" a new name. --B (talk) 12:39, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

  Still not an appropriate comparison. Be better. ValarianB (talk) 12:41, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

• Support: Aside from the very much official and top level nature of these renaming, it usefully finally resolves the issue of having "Turkey" as an incredibly stupid homonym meaning both a country and Xmas dinner. Good riddance. A welcome disambiguation - also incidentally part of the official motive for the renaming. The switch began weeks ago in some media sources. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:47, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

References

Requested move 3 June 2022

Turkey → Turkiye – On 1st of June 2022, The united nation accepted a request from the turkish government to use the name (Turkiye) as an official name, to match its pronunciation in Turkish and Arabic languages, and to prevent similarities with words that have other meanings. This event is published on Al Jazeera web-site. Thanks for you. Dr-Taher (talk) 12:46, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:19, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

• This is not uncontroversial, given the ongoing discussions and previous RMs at Talk:Turkey. A new RM discussion will need to find consensus for such a move before it will be carried out. DanCherek (talk) 12:50, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

  Thanks @DanCherek:, I have noticed the debate on the talk page after your comment. Most opposing opinions on January asked to wait for an official change by The United Nations, and this was accepted on 1 June.--Dr-Taher (talk) 13:29, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

• @Dr-Taher and DanCherek:. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:19, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Thanks *@Crouch, Swale: for moving the request to the correct place. --Dr-Taher (talk) 13:29, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
• Support and move Turkey (disambiguation) here per my previous arguments. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:20, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
• The Country's name ist Turkiye and not Turkey anymore !! So change the name here too !!!! 2001:9E8:177B:E000:B5E8:B17:DD8A:D683 (talk) 13:26, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Turkiye isn't the name of the country in English. It is the official name used by the government (and now accepted by UN). I don't think I would stop saying "I'm from Turkey." when the official name is approved in Wikipedia. Kavas (talk) 13:45, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
• Comment if it does get moved, it should be to "Türkiye" instead of Turkiye per news sources from Google site searches. I am aware of the name change today. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 13:51, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

  The “Ü” letter is not used in the English alphabet, so it wouldn’t make sense for it to be the name in English. Especially since all other countries do not use foreign letters in their English name. SmooManLecons (talk) 13:56, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

  The only argument for a move is based on the Turkish government position. The name chosen by the Turkish government has a ü in it. If we were to adopt the name on that basis, it would not be for us to then change the spelling. And if the inclusion of the ü reduces the chances of the word being widely adopted, that isn't our problem. Kahastok talk 15:09, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

  Re alphabet: success cases São Tomé and Príncipe (on Wikipedia, UN: Sao Tome and Principe - maybe candidate for move request), Curaçao. Unsuccessful: Côte D'Ivoire. Chrz (talk) 16:35, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Fram (talk) 13:55, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
• Comment this seems very similar to Czech Republic/Czechia. There needs to be consistency. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 14:07, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME, virtually all english language sources use Turkey as the common name for the polity in question.XavierGreen (talk) 14:14, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Nozdref (talk) 14:15, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose: per WP:COMMONNAME. Beshogur (talk) 14:34, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Probably borderline WP:LAME. We have done this discussion many times before, and this would likely confuse many readers who haven't been involved in current events. Neither has the UN changed Turkey's name on their website yet. We should create an FAQ about this discussion to stop all the name change edit requests. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 14:36, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Turkey is the English name for the country. The articles for Spain and Germany aren't at España and Deutschland so there's no reason Turkey should be any different. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 14:38, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Turkey is the common name and English name for the country. Just because Bharat was selected as an alternative name of India in 1950, that doesn't mean at international level, people use Bharat but use India. Same applies here for Turkey. Imranqazi90 (talk) 14:52, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. Policy is that we use the WP:COMMONNAME, which in this case is fairly obviously Turkey. There is no point in requesting a move unless you can provide at least an argument that the WP:COMMONNAME in ordinary English usage has changed. I'll repeat the Google Trends searches I cited above, that show Turkey as dominant in major English-speaking countries: [7][8][9][10][11][12]. I'd also add that the proposed move title isn't even the name proposed by the Turkish government - it should be Türkiye with ü and the Turkish dotted i. Kahastok talk 14:58, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
• Snowclose. This ain't getting any support, as it's just a rehash of Czech Republic/Czechia. O.N.R. ^(talk) 15:00, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

  Leave it open at lest for 24 hours to give all timezones a chance to say their argument. Chrz (talk) 16:20, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose as per WP:COMMONNAME. Besides, nobody is using Turkiye in English; the proposal of the authoritarian regime in Ankara is Türkiye, not Turkiye. Neither one is common English usage. Jeppiz (talk) 15:54, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

  The type of government (democratic, authoritarian, dictatorial, whatever) is irrelevant here. Professor Tournesol (talk) 17:43, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME, and we already denote the official spelling otherwise. There are dozens of countries where the COMMONNAME reflects the English usage over the foreign language - not least those using other alphabets (some of which are uncommon to English). Koncorde (talk) 15:59, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
• Support Toran107 (talk) 16:04, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
• To those citing COMMONNAME, the name literally just changed yesterday. Of course "Turkey" is still the most commonly-used name amongst all extant news sources - any news article written prior to YESTERDAY uses Turkey. --B (talk) 16:12, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

  Today is 3 June, and the change was on 31 May, so your timing is not right. But it doesn't really matter. It is for those advocating the change to demonstrate the case that the common name has changed, or that there is some reason why a longstanding WP:COMMONNAME should be overridden. Even if the only reason they cannot make that case is because the sources haven't caught up yet, then the WP:COMMONNAME has not changed and we are right to oppose on that basis. Kahastok talk 17:40, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

• Comment This move request will solve what common name for the state is -> how the article should be named. It does not solve what the alternative - political name of the country now is and what should be in the first sentence stated. Who decides what "the official" name is? Can we at least official political name copy from UN lists? Oppose the name change because Turkiye is not even in play - Türkyie was registered at UN. Chrz (talk) 16:26, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Oppose. Wikipedia does not necessarily follow UN naming conventions. Otherwise the Taiwan article would have a different name. Marcus Aurelius 17:26, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Support: This is similar to the Cote d'Ivoire and Cabo Verde situation. Should an English name be changed to what its country wants? Well, the UN recognizes it, and it's an official English language name change, so it should be changed. 131552A (talk) 17:27, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

The "Türkiye" vs. "Turkiye" situation is simply a war of technicalities. Like most all non-English languages names in English, one simply removes the dieresis and any other accentuation marks not in English and thus the name is now to English grammar standards. 131552A (talk) 17:30, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Support Swaziland was renamed within a week even though its newest name is incomprehensible. ukrainian cities were also all quickly renamed save for 1 DzhungarRabbit (talk) 17:33, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

I agree. The eSwatini example holds up and the name was indeed changed relatively quickly. The capitalization also is controversial and doesn't comply with English grammar, and people just changed it to "Eswatini". The same should apply here. 131552A (talk) 17:41, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

• Strong support Türkiye, see Eswatini page move that was done the week after [13]. Additionally, in Turkey obviously Türkiye is ubiquitous. Not sure why when a person changes the name we have policies to update even if it's COMMON, and not for countries.--Ortizesp (talk) 17:46, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

  Seen this point made several times now. The Swazi government changed Swaziland to Eswatini on 19 April 2018. An RM was started on the same day, and closed with consensus against the move on the grounds that there was no evidence that the WP:COMMONNAME had changed. A second RM was started on 16 June 2018, with the same result. The RM you refer to was started on 12 October 2018, and finished on 22 October, which is a full six months after the name change. The claim that the Eswatini page move was done the week after the state was renamed is simply not true. Those supporting the move here are advocating that we go much faster than we did with Eswatini. Kahastok talk 18:20, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose. Turkey is still clearly the common name. JIP | Talk 17:56, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
• Mostly support (but also) oppose (in part) I think that the page should be renamed to "Türkiye" with the trema, not "Turkiye" without the trema because this is how the name change was structured.Joesom333 (talk) 18:20, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
  • According to what I understand of the Turkish language, it's an umlaut, not a trema. JIP | Talk 19:17, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per Aurelius9, Kavas and Jeppiz. The Turkey → Türkiye name change is most likely a Public Relations stunt by the Erdoğan government. The Ivory Coast government also insists that everyone refer to it by its official-language name (in this case, the French "Côte d'Ivoire") and yet the WP:COMMONNAME in English still remains "Ivory Coast". Glide08 (talk) 19:46, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose, per WP:COMMONNAME Asdfjrjjj (talk) 19:49, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - COMMONNAME is the only relevant issue here, and the new name clearly doesn't qualify (yet). Obviously, if the new name then becomes the most commonly used in English language sources (like eSwatini did), then we can come here again. Black Kite (talk) 20:09, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Not yet WP:COMMONNAME, obviously. There needs to be a move request moratorium for a few months to allow the usage position to become clarified. Otherwise, I foresee these RMs only causing ongoing disruption. DeCausa (talk) 20:21, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Oppose This move cannot take place until Czech Republic is moved to Czechia. Piotrek54321 (talk) 20:29, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose It should be moved to Türkiye, not to Turkiye. It's not up to us to adapt the spelling to only include English characters. ImStevan (talk) 20:42, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

  @ImStevan this response on your suggested title. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:48, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose Too soon. It's worth considering that because we need to disambiguate with turkey (bird), Türkiye doesn't have to be the common name, it just has to be a common name, as changing the name of the page to Türkiye would provide natural disambiguation, which is preferable under WP:DAB. If Türkiye enters widespread use in English sources, I would support a move, but right now we don't know if it will. YttriumShrew (talk) 21:25, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per Piotrek54321, also earlier on today someone has moved some of the sport articles to "Türkiye" from "Turkey" but, as seen on this section, I stated these moves were returned as they have not been discussed and this article has not been retitled itself. It will take some time for the WP:COMMONNAME to change as in the case of Port Elizabeth and Czech Republic are titled as they are today. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:54, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 June 2022

Turkey has changed its name into Turkiye, all related words should be edited into Turkiye. 119.246.129.158 (talk) 13:41, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: This is actually a controversial edit, so you'll need to discuss first with other editors. Please open a new section here and start a discussion. See discussions above. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:46, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 June 2022 (2)

Just dropping in to say that I saw this sentence in the antiquity section;

"For several centuries prior to the great Persian invasion of Greece, perhaps the very greatest and wealthiest city of the Greek world was Miletus and founded more colonies than any other Greek city.[58] particularly in the Black Sea region."

and I have three issues with it:

• "perhaps the very greatest" is worded like it is speculation, as if it were saying "it might have been the greatest city but we do not know for sure".
• The "and" following "Miletus" makes the sentence awkward, I believe it should be replaced by a comma and a "which" instead.
• The period before the reference divides the sentence in two, making the last part of it sound awkward grammatically.

I believe that's all. Do-Droppy (talk) 14:30, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

"Turkey" should retain in use

Despite the name change, "Turkey" will continue to be in use. 5.53.202.113 (talk) 15:14, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Why? Quellenbrunnen (talk) 18:46, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Name change of Turkey

Hello, in the name Türkiye is the problem that "ü" is not in English alphabet. And my idea is we can use something like Turkia or Turkiye. --TayfunEt. (talk) 16:32, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

No, Turkey was well aware of the risk but demanded ü anyway. We can't half-satisfy Turkey's wishes. A lot of sources do say "Turkiye" in their coverage about the renaming. It only shows how problematic wish it is. Those who write about Erdogan (not Erdoğan) will also probably strip ¨ from the new name of Turkey. Chrz (talk) 16:41, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Well, most accentuations in other languages are simply removed when transliterated into English. The same should occur, and will likely occur, here. 131552A (talk) 17:33, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

I disagree, just like with some artists' names, the ü should remain in English aswell, as per Türkish request ImStevan (talk) 16:36, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

The Republic of Côte d'Ivoire also uses an accent not originally native to English, so if it stays in the Côte d'Ivoire it should also stay in the word Türkiye. --2A01:C23:5D03:3E00:21F5:5F06:8DB3:50BD (talk) 19:32, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Oppose

Bringing up examples such as Swazilandia doesn't really make sense. That's a country that has barely 50+ years of History. However, Turkey is deeply rooted in the rest of the world's History and its land, by then ruled by the Ottoman Empire, has been known as the land of the Turks since the 14th century. The mere impulse of an autocrat, accepted or not by the UN, can't change overnight the obvious weight that the term Turkey bares through time. 79.148.4.32 (talk) 17:50, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Please do cast your vote in Requested move 3 June 2022 Nozdref (talk) 19:05, 3 June 2022 (UTC)